John Wayne's Height
6ft 3 ¾ (192.4 cm)
American actor best remembered for starring in films like The Searchers, True Grit, The Quiet Man, Stagecoach, Fort Apache, Rio Grande, Rio Bravo, The Man Who Shot Liberty Vance, The Alamo and The Green Berets.
Height: 6ft 3 and 3/4. Weight: 212 pounds - Wayne's 1943 O.S.S application form
He was a good example of the image taking over. Image on one side, reality on another side.
Big things: the war hero who did not fight in the war...But also the little things: he wore lifts. In his cowboy's boots, but also in his shoes. All Hollywood knew it.
-- Bette Davis
I did a movie with Duke and was very surprised to find out he had small feet and wore lifts and a corset. Hollywood is seldom what it seems. - Rock Hudson
Photo by Ned Scott, via Wikimedia Commons
John Wayne was so tall they put me on an apple box in the studio where they shot the close-ups. - Red River co-star Colleen Gray
Wayne liked big guys; everyone was a midget to him. Smaller guys annoyed him. - Richard Widmark
Many people don't realize it, but John Wayne was once a very short young fellow. When he first went to Hollywood and wanted to play the role of a cowboy, he was so short he had to ride a collie that was disguised as a horse. - Columnist Mike Royko
John Wayne had four-inch lifts in his shoes. He had the overheads on his boat accommodated to fit him. He had a special roof put in his station wagon. . . . The son of a bitch, they probably buried him in his goddamn lifts. - Robert Mitchum
[Wayne] is the type of guy who when asked his height, answers like this: "I'm 6-foot-4, 52 years old, have five children, two grandchildren and I love good whisky."
My grandfather was so graceful, even though he was a six-foot-five, 260-pound guy, and it was because he was so strong. It allowed him to move in a certain way. Plus he had tiny feet. He was six-feet-five-inches and his feet were as big as mine, which are 10s. And so he walked with his toes, like a dance.
-- Brendan Wayne, Vulture
"I've often heard people accuse me of being shorter than I am and trying to look bigger by having big heels on my boots.
Of course I had big heels when I was in a Western. Cowboys had big heels. But this picture [Brannigan] isn't a cowboy picture. Here, look at my shoes. Do you see any lifts?" I said I didn't. He said, "Do I seem short to you?" He didn't.
-- John Wayne by Michael Munn
Wayne was every bit as big a guy as he seemed, over six-foot-four, wide-shouldered, with small feet and huge hands. When we shook hands it felt as though my own disappeared in his grasp.
-- Peter Bogdanovich
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Average Guess (198 Votes)
6ft 3.37in (191.4cm)
6ft 3.37in (191.4cm)
Slim1.75m said on 30/Aug/23
@Rob I've asked before if John Carroll & Lane Chandler could be added both were Bill 6'4
@Rob I've asked before if John Carroll & Lane Chandler could be added both were Bill 6'4
Slamm said on 27/Aug/23
Was an around the 6-4 mark. Probably just under
Was an around the 6-4 mark. Probably just under
Gerald S said on 25/Aug/23
Rob, I watched Hatari! yesterday, and Hardy Krüger held up well next to John Wayne. Hardy really was a solid 5’11”.
Editor Rob
Rob, I watched Hatari! yesterday, and Hardy Krüger held up well next to John Wayne. Hardy really was a solid 5’11”.
Editor RobKruger could be about 5ft 11.
affidavit David said on 30/May/23
In Fort Apache( 1948) Wayne looked almost two inches taller than Henry Fonda. My first impression was he was more like 6'2.5- 6'2.75 but maybe he was no less than 6'3 peak, and if I ask around people often say he was 1.90m. Why would he appear an inch or so shorter than Cooper?. Was he ever 6'3.75 or 6'4?
In Fort Apache( 1948) Wayne looked almost two inches taller than Henry Fonda. My first impression was he was more like 6'2.5- 6'2.75 but maybe he was no less than 6'3 peak, and if I ask around people often say he was 1.90m. Why would he appear an inch or so shorter than Cooper?. Was he ever 6'3.75 or 6'4?
Arch Stanton said on 25/May/23
In Arizona, an early film from 1931, Wayne is barefoot I think in a football locking room scene and looks pretty lanky and much taller than the older man in shoes. I don't think you can claim anything under 6 ft 3 for him peak.
In Arizona, an early film from 1931, Wayne is barefoot I think in a football locking room scene and looks pretty lanky and much taller than the older man in shoes. I don't think you can claim anything under 6 ft 3 for him peak.
Arch Stanton said on 24/May/23
Watching some of his early westerns again at the moment. He does mostly look close to a big 6'4 but then the cowboy boots and big western hat can easily make somebody tall look all the more taller. There were just a few anomalies in films like The Big Trail where he seemed smaller.
Watching some of his early westerns again at the moment. He does mostly look close to a big 6'4 but then the cowboy boots and big western hat can easily make somebody tall look all the more taller. There were just a few anomalies in films like The Big Trail where he seemed smaller.
Gerald S said on 19/May/23
Rob, what peak height would you put Sam Jaffe at? 5’9”?
Jaffe held up well with tall leading men John Wayne, Charlton Heston and Cary Grant, and still visibly cleared 5’7” in a Streets of San Francisco episode, aged 83.
Editor Rob
Rob, what peak height would you put Sam Jaffe at? 5’9”?
Jaffe held up well with tall leading men John Wayne, Charlton Heston and Cary Grant, and still visibly cleared 5’7” in a Streets of San Francisco episode, aged 83.
Editor RobWouldn't have guessed at peak he was any less than 5ft 9
Slamo said on 27/Apr/23
I know guys who like nice big boots even though they are 6-3 range. They look 6-5 in the footwear. John imo was 6-3. He like nice boots definitely. Used a 6-5 look imo but only in substantial footwear.
I know guys who like nice big boots even though they are 6-3 range. They look 6-5 in the footwear. John imo was 6-3. He like nice boots definitely. Used a 6-5 look imo but only in substantial footwear.
Henrik said on 12/Jan/23
@berta
Wayne in The Quiet Man is asked if he's 6ft 6 and then responds "four and a half".
@Hong
Perkins with 6ft 4-listed John Gavin in Psycho.
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@berta
Wayne in The Quiet Man is asked if he's 6ft 6 and then responds "four and a half".
@Hong
Perkins with 6ft 4-listed John Gavin in Psycho.
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Hong said on 11/Jan/23
Click Here Well if Stewart was 6ft1.75 what height was Anthony Perkins? Here's Perkins with an elderly Stewart,who would probably have shrunk a bit by that stage,still taller than the 24 years younger Perkins.
Click Here Well if Stewart was 6ft1.75 what height was Anthony Perkins? Here's Perkins with an elderly Stewart,who would probably have shrunk a bit by that stage,still taller than the 24 years younger Perkins.
itsmoe!!! said on 9/Jan/23
Does anyone have the link to the physical where Jimmy Stewart was measured under 6'2? This is news to me.
@Henrik, do you have a link?
Editor Rob
Does anyone have the link to the physical where Jimmy Stewart was measured under 6'2? This is news to me.
@Henrik, do you have a link?
Editor RobHere is the lowest measurement physical for Stewart, 6ft 1.75.
berta said on 7/Jan/23
im gonna tell a interesting story. My grandfathers cousin lived in La because his mother was an imigrant from Åland. He did work in the movie business for a couple of years. Not as an actor but driving the car that they filmed from in western movies ( this was back in the day when half of the movies was western). He had told my mother and grandfather when they visited that john wayne was the nicest actor he ever meet and worked with. But he didnt say that he was very tall. I dont know how tall my grandfathers cousin was but he was around 80 years old when they meet ( they had never meet before) And he and my grandfather was the same height at that point.( they stood back to back) My grandfather was around 187. So i guess he had been almost johny waynes height at peak and that may be the reason that he didnt described him as very tall. Still strange. About 6´4 in those days are like 6´6 now and wayne was always in big cowboy boots. Thats one of the things that make me believe closer to 6´3 was possible. But he really did look taller than that.
im gonna tell a interesting story. My grandfathers cousin lived in La because his mother was an imigrant from Åland. He did work in the movie business for a couple of years. Not as an actor but driving the car that they filmed from in western movies ( this was back in the day when half of the movies was western). He had told my mother and grandfather when they visited that john wayne was the nicest actor he ever meet and worked with. But he didnt say that he was very tall. I dont know how tall my grandfathers cousin was but he was around 80 years old when they meet ( they had never meet before) And he and my grandfather was the same height at that point.( they stood back to back) My grandfather was around 187. So i guess he had been almost johny waynes height at peak and that may be the reason that he didnt described him as very tall. Still strange. About 6´4 in those days are like 6´6 now and wayne was always in big cowboy boots. Thats one of the things that make me believe closer to 6´3 was possible. But he really did look taller than that.
Henrik said on 7/Jan/23
@Jtm
I guess then he must have grown taller in his adulthood, since his physicals claim 6ft 1.75 (1942), 6ft 2 (1945), 6ft 3 (1950 and 1958) and 6ft 4 (1962)...
@Jtm
I guess then he must have grown taller in his adulthood, since his physicals claim 6ft 1.75 (1942), 6ft 2 (1945), 6ft 3 (1950 and 1958) and 6ft 4 (1962)...
Jtm said on 5/Jan/23
Henrik said on 18/Dec/22
It's not impossible that Wayne could have been made to look shorter in his earlier films. This because it was seen as somewhat "bad" to be over 6ft 2 in those days. Jimmy Stewart f.e. in the 1940's claimed or was claimed to be 6ft 2 and 1.75 on his physicals. John Gavin was a 6ft 4 actor who was said to have been made to look shorter on screen at times.
stewart did not claimed 6'1.75 on his physicals. that's what he was measured.
Henrik said on 18/Dec/22
It's not impossible that Wayne could have been made to look shorter in his earlier films. This because it was seen as somewhat "bad" to be over 6ft 2 in those days. Jimmy Stewart f.e. in the 1940's claimed or was claimed to be 6ft 2 and 1.75 on his physicals. John Gavin was a 6ft 4 actor who was said to have been made to look shorter on screen at times.
stewart did not claimed 6'1.75 on his physicals. that's what he was measured.
Henrik said on 2/Jan/23
I recently watched Hondo. I thought Wayne looked more than two inches taller compared to Ward Bond in it. The difference seemed larger than between the two same actors in The Searchers. A bit odd. It must have been a footwear difference most likely. At the same time, James Arness appeared to have more than two inches on Wayne.
I recently watched Hondo. I thought Wayne looked more than two inches taller compared to Ward Bond in it. The difference seemed larger than between the two same actors in The Searchers. A bit odd. It must have been a footwear difference most likely. At the same time, James Arness appeared to have more than two inches on Wayne.
Henrik said on 25/Dec/22
Well, Wayne does not look 6ft 4 in that link, but there is a posture difference between the two there. Wilsey appears to be standing more straight. I haven't seen that many Wayne movies yet, but in The Searchers, he doesn't slouch. He's standing straight next to a slouching Ward Bond (who I think was 6ft 2, if not 2.5) f.e.
Well, Wayne does not look 6ft 4 in that link, but there is a posture difference between the two there. Wilsey appears to be standing more straight. I haven't seen that many Wayne movies yet, but in The Searchers, he doesn't slouch. He's standing straight next to a slouching Ward Bond (who I think was 6ft 2, if not 2.5) f.e.
Arch Stanton said on 23/Dec/22
Wayne generally did the opposite though, tried to make himself look taller. He did look 6 ft 2 range in some of his early 30s films for some reason, but undeniably looked 6'3.5-6'4 throughout most of his films. To me Wayne looked about the same height as Eastwood.
Wayne generally did the opposite though, tried to make himself look taller. He did look 6 ft 2 range in some of his early 30s films for some reason, but undeniably looked 6'3.5-6'4 throughout most of his films. To me Wayne looked about the same height as Eastwood.
Henrik said on 18/Dec/22
It's not impossible that Wayne could have been made to look shorter in his earlier films. This because it was seen as somewhat "bad" to be over 6ft 2 in those days. Jimmy Stewart f.e. in the 1940's claimed or was claimed to be 6ft 2 and 1.75 on his physicals. John Gavin was a 6ft 4 actor who was said to have been made to look shorter on screen at times.
It's not impossible that Wayne could have been made to look shorter in his earlier films. This because it was seen as somewhat "bad" to be over 6ft 2 in those days. Jimmy Stewart f.e. in the 1940's claimed or was claimed to be 6ft 2 and 1.75 on his physicals. John Gavin was a 6ft 4 actor who was said to have been made to look shorter on screen at times.
itsmoe! said on 17/Dec/22
This is interesting! John Wayne next to 6'3 or 4 Jay Wilsey back in 1934's Beneath the Arizona Skies. Jay is clearly over an inch taller than Wayne. Click Here
This is interesting! John Wayne next to 6'3 or 4 Jay Wilsey back in 1934's Beneath the Arizona Skies. Jay is clearly over an inch taller than Wayne. Click Here
Slim1.75m said on 14/Dec/22
Rob how about adding Lane Chandler and John Carroll both claimed 6'4.
Rob how about adding Lane Chandler and John Carroll both claimed 6'4.
Slim1.75m said on 7/Dec/22
Hey Rob could you add Lane Chandler & John Carroll to celebrity height's
Hey Rob could you add Lane Chandler & John Carroll to celebrity height's
Slim1.75m said on 6/Dec/22
Hay Rob would you add Lane Chandler,John Carroll and Mike Mazurski
to celebrity heights they stared with John Wayne at some point.
Hay Rob would you add Lane Chandler,John Carroll and Mike Mazurski
to celebrity heights they stared with John Wayne at some point.
talker said on 16/Sep/22
i just saw the Big trail.He looks about 6'2" in this movie which is before he became a star.I dont believe nothing i see after he was a star.In this movie where he is young and nobody bothered to make him look taller ,he still looks like a tall man but not towering over anybody,even next to the ladies he looks just regular tall. Any 6'4" guy towers over women,just look at this movie and see Wayne is just a normal tall leading man.
i just saw the Big trail.He looks about 6'2" in this movie which is before he became a star.I dont believe nothing i see after he was a star.In this movie where he is young and nobody bothered to make him look taller ,he still looks like a tall man but not towering over anybody,even next to the ladies he looks just regular tall. Any 6'4" guy towers over women,just look at this movie and see Wayne is just a normal tall leading man.
Becheese said on 9/Aug/22
Slightly bigger than Clint. 6-4 imo. Clint 6-3.5
Slightly bigger than Clint. 6-4 imo. Clint 6-3.5
Tony G said on 4/Aug/22
R/him... 5'9" to 6ft? That would make him barely taller than celebs such as Desi Arnaz and Ron Howard and he was actually at least 5-6 inches taller than both of them.
R/him... 5'9" to 6ft? That would make him barely taller than celebs such as Desi Arnaz and Ron Howard and he was actually at least 5-6 inches taller than both of them.
Duhon said on 22/Jul/22
"Hollywood is seldom what it seems" still a relevant quote 50 years later.
"Hollywood is seldom what it seems" still a relevant quote 50 years later.
Tech noir said on 1/May/22
Peak imo 6-3.5. Eastwood peak 6-3.
Peak imo 6-3.5. Eastwood peak 6-3.
Terry DiPiazza said on 22/Feb/22
To everyone who believes Wayne was not that tall, I suggest you view his appearance at the Academy Awards show just before he died. He comes down a long flight of stairs, and the loafers he is wearing are obviously normal footwear. He absolutely towers over Johnny Carson, and many other stars join him onstage. He dwarfs them all. 6’3.75” peak, 6’3” at the end.
To everyone who believes Wayne was not that tall, I suggest you view his appearance at the Academy Awards show just before he died. He comes down a long flight of stairs, and the loafers he is wearing are obviously normal footwear. He absolutely towers over Johnny Carson, and many other stars join him onstage. He dwarfs them all. 6’3.75” peak, 6’3” at the end.
Rampage(-_-_-)Clover said on 2/Feb/22
Rob, would you say he was below 6ft3 at the end?
Editor Rob
Rob, would you say he was below 6ft3 at the end?
Editor RobI think he did creep under that.
James B 172cm said on 23/Jan/22
seemed closer to 6'4 than eastwood
seemed closer to 6'4 than eastwood
Harryp said on 1/Jan/22
Never looked 6"4
Never looked 6"4
Canson said on 22/Dec/21
@Bradley: he didn’t measure 6’4 flat though
@Bradley: he didn’t measure 6’4 flat though
Hong said on 21/Dec/21
Click Here Here's a pic I posted on the Clint Eastwood page,as you can see the the older Wayne looks taller than both Eastwood and Heston.He looks a genuine 6ft4 guy there.
Click Here Here's a pic I posted on the Clint Eastwood page,as you can see the the older Wayne looks taller than both Eastwood and Heston.He looks a genuine 6ft4 guy there.
Bradley said on 20/Dec/21
Easy 6-4. Didn't lose much later on.
Easy 6-4. Didn't lose much later on.
Ethan Larsen said on 12/Dec/21
Very tall man for the time, even now he would be tall. I think 5'8" was the average when he was growing up. 6'3" 1/2
Very tall man for the time, even now he would be tall. I think 5'8" was the average when he was growing up. 6'3" 1/2
brunobrown said on 11/Dec/21
For a man born in 1907, he was extremely tall. Even in later life he lost very little height.
For a man born in 1907, he was extremely tall. Even in later life he lost very little height.
Arch Stanton said on 2/Dec/21
You would expect a guy like Wayne to be easily a 13 US/12 UK.
You would expect a guy like Wayne to be easily a 13 US/12 UK.
Tall In The Saddle said on 19/Nov/21
@Andrew James K
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What a great photo that is! Thanks.
As per the properties of perspectives, you’d have to think moving Wayne back to where Forrest Tucker is standing, the Duke could drop as much as 1” to Tucker. Jack Carson on the right was as solid a 6’2” as it gets. I would probably give Tucker up to 2”‘advantage over Carson but no more than that.
Tucker appeared in a movie with Errol Flynn and if Tucker was 6’4” flat he made Errol look like he was barely scratching 6’.
@Andrew James K
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What a great photo that is! Thanks.
As per the properties of perspectives, you’d have to think moving Wayne back to where Forrest Tucker is standing, the Duke could drop as much as 1” to Tucker. Jack Carson on the right was as solid a 6’2” as it gets. I would probably give Tucker up to 2”‘advantage over Carson but no more than that.
Tucker appeared in a movie with Errol Flynn and if Tucker was 6’4” flat he made Errol look like he was barely scratching 6’.
Brunobrowne said on 15/Nov/21
I think he's son Ethan claimed JW wore a 10.5us boot. He had small feet for a tall man but had huge hands
He's shoe in the photo looks flat, I think it would appear wore elevated if he was wearing lifts.
Video done when he was quite old and still looks very big.
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I think he's son Ethan claimed JW wore a 10.5us boot. He had small feet for a tall man but had huge hands
He's shoe in the photo looks flat, I think it would appear wore elevated if he was wearing lifts.
Video done when he was quite old and still looks very big.
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Andrew James Kirkwood said on 11/Nov/21
I saw a pair of JW's boots in a museum in California a few years ago, and they were ridiculously small, 9s at most, they looked far too small for someone even 6'00" and so I've thought for a long time that he must have been wearing celebrity heels, and looking the photo here:
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He looks disproportioned, his body and arms are too short.
The thigh bone (femur) is the longest bone in the human body, but in the photo it looks as though his shin bone (tibia) is far too long, longer than his thigh in fact, that just can't be - this could be evidence of stacks.
I saw a pair of JW's boots in a museum in California a few years ago, and they were ridiculously small, 9s at most, they looked far too small for someone even 6'00" and so I've thought for a long time that he must have been wearing celebrity heels, and looking the photo here:
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He looks disproportioned, his body and arms are too short.
The thigh bone (femur) is the longest bone in the human body, but in the photo it looks as though his shin bone (tibia) is far too long, longer than his thigh in fact, that just can't be - this could be evidence of stacks.
Arch Stanton said on 21/Oct/21
I'm not saying he was insecure around women of course. But I do think he had that " the taller I look the better" mentality so would want to appear even more towering than he actually was.
I'm not saying he was insecure around women of course. But I do think he had that " the taller I look the better" mentality so would want to appear even more towering than he actually was.
Brunobrowne said on 11/Oct/21
Yes, I think Wayne was the sort of guy who would grovel at even a 5'2 woman in heels as he had that "the taller I look the better" mentality.
This makes no sense as a 5'2" woman in heels would be around 5'5". Yet the beautiful Maureen o Hara was just shy of 5'8" barefoot and Wayne starred with her in many movies.
Yes, I think Wayne was the sort of guy who would grovel at even a 5'2 woman in heels as he had that "the taller I look the better" mentality.
This makes no sense as a 5'2" woman in heels would be around 5'5". Yet the beautiful Maureen o Hara was just shy of 5'8" barefoot and Wayne starred with her in many movies.
Tall Sam said on 9/Oct/21
He is surely standing a ditch but for a second Wayne looked the shortest he’s ever looked.
He is surely standing a ditch but for a second Wayne looked the shortest he’s ever looked.
Arch Stanton said on 9/Oct/21
Blackened said on 6/Aug/21
In his early films looked really tall and rangy. Definitely 6-4 peak.
Strange comment as in his early films Wayne looked noticeably shorter than later on when he looked very tall. Yes, I think Wayne was the sort of guy who would grovel at even a 5'2 woman in heels as he had that "the taller I look the better" mentality.
Blackened said on 6/Aug/21
In his early films looked really tall and rangy. Definitely 6-4 peak.
Strange comment as in his early films Wayne looked noticeably shorter than later on when he looked very tall. Yes, I think Wayne was the sort of guy who would grovel at even a 5'2 woman in heels as he had that "the taller I look the better" mentality.
Robert3750 said on 7/Oct/21
I'd say Wayne's true height was more like 6'1, MAYBE a bit over. This picture shows him with the LA Rams. The 6'5 Deacon Jones TOWERS over him.
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Editor Rob
I'd say Wayne's true height was more like 6'1, MAYBE a bit over. This picture shows him with the LA Rams. The 6'5 Deacon Jones TOWERS over him.
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Editor RobWee Duke.
To be fair, it did mention Wayne standing in a slight depression...
To be fair, it did mention Wayne standing in a slight depression...
MichaelMyers said on 12/Sep/21
6'4" peak or close to it, if the stories of him always wearing lifts are false. 6'2.5" or so, if the stories of him always wearing lifts are true.
6'4" peak or close to it, if the stories of him always wearing lifts are false. 6'2.5" or so, if the stories of him always wearing lifts are true.
ammy said on 2/Sep/21
looks 6'3 same height as gary cooper and jimmy stewart
looks 6'3 same height as gary cooper and jimmy stewart
John Ford said on 29/Aug/21
Wayne was 6'2 1/2" tall. James Arness was 6'5" Many times Arness said he was 6'5". In Wayne'college football years he is listed at 6ft 2inches . There is also a biography where the author cites Wayne as not 6_3" under.
Wayne was 6'2 1/2" tall. James Arness was 6'5" Many times Arness said he was 6'5". In Wayne'college football years he is listed at 6ft 2inches . There is also a biography where the author cites Wayne as not 6_3" under.
Tall In The Saddle said on 24/Aug/21
@Rob
I was surprised to find that Wayne’s wife Pilar is still living at 93. Fair age gap between her and the Duke, about 21 years. A quick scan of photos of them together and it seems Pilar might’ve won the high heel argument. She appears to be standing somewhat taller than 5’2”/5’3” alongside Wayne. Perhaps the winning ultimatum was I’ll lose the heels IF you ditch the rug.
Editor Rob
@Rob
I was surprised to find that Wayne’s wife Pilar is still living at 93. Fair age gap between her and the Duke, about 21 years. A quick scan of photos of them together and it seems Pilar might’ve won the high heel argument. She appears to be standing somewhat taller than 5’2”/5’3” alongside Wayne. Perhaps the winning ultimatum was I’ll lose the heels IF you ditch the rug.
Editor RobIt would not surprise me in the least bit if Wayne enjoyed being very tall and towering over others.
Tall In The Saddle said on 24/Aug/21
@Rob
Interesting quote from Wayne's wife Pilar. What do you think is the possible takeaway here? That even alongside one so diminutive as his wife, Wayne liked to maximize his height advantage OR, perhaps, the screaming irony that Wayne got around in high heeled shoes for a good portion of his own life? Perhaps The Duke was being genuine, speaking from experience re how wearing heels during a work day took it's own toll on his legs. LOL.
Editor Rob
@Rob
Interesting quote from Wayne's wife Pilar. What do you think is the possible takeaway here? That even alongside one so diminutive as his wife, Wayne liked to maximize his height advantage OR, perhaps, the screaming irony that Wayne got around in high heeled shoes for a good portion of his own life? Perhaps The Duke was being genuine, speaking from experience re how wearing heels during a work day took it's own toll on his legs. LOL.
Editor RobMaybe he did like to really tower over her...
Iamfrench said on 22/Aug/21
6'3.5 just like Eastwood but I didn't know that John Wayne was a short guy as a teenager. 🤔
6'3.5 just like Eastwood but I didn't know that John Wayne was a short guy as a teenager. 🤔
Editor Rob said on 22/Aug/21
I saw his wife Pilar once mention about John:
"He likes me to wear low-heeled shoes and I'm so small anyway. I'm only five-feet-two, and to him it's just great to see me in low heels. I can't understand it. He's taller than I am already. He says, 'You can't be walking around on high-heeled shoes. It's not good for you."
I saw his wife Pilar once mention about John:
"He likes me to wear low-heeled shoes and I'm so small anyway. I'm only five-feet-two, and to him it's just great to see me in low heels. I can't understand it. He's taller than I am already. He says, 'You can't be walking around on high-heeled shoes. It's not good for you."
Blackened said on 6/Aug/21
In his early films looked really tall and rangy. Definitely 6-4 peak.
In his early films looked really tall and rangy. Definitely 6-4 peak.
Tall In The Saddle said on 22/Jul/21
@Bruno
Yeah, I also estimate both Coop and Stewart to be over 6’3”, more likely closer to the 6’3 1/2” mark if not bang on. IMO Stewart def. had the edge on Coop as slight as it was and both guys could look equal to or slightly taller than The Duke at times.
Wayne def. taller than Scott also but I just think it was closer than the cowboy boot westerns suggest and certainly Scott wasn’t dropping 1 1/2” as this site’s listings imply. Interesting, when looking for same, there aren’t a lot of photos of Mel Ferrer with comparably tall actors. Found one with Coop, not the best but they appeared reasonably on par.
@Bruno
Yeah, I also estimate both Coop and Stewart to be over 6’3”, more likely closer to the 6’3 1/2” mark if not bang on. IMO Stewart def. had the edge on Coop as slight as it was and both guys could look equal to or slightly taller than The Duke at times.
Wayne def. taller than Scott also but I just think it was closer than the cowboy boot westerns suggest and certainly Scott wasn’t dropping 1 1/2” as this site’s listings imply. Interesting, when looking for same, there aren’t a lot of photos of Mel Ferrer with comparably tall actors. Found one with Coop, not the best but they appeared reasonably on par.
Bruno61 said on 22/Jul/21
Ya Tall wouldn't be much in it with Clint. As Wayne would say I wouldn't like to live off the difference.
Hard to believe in that albeit b&w photo Wayne looked the picture of health but would be dead within 4 years and the scrawny Clint still going strong 46 years later.
I think Wayne has clear advantage over Scott in their movies together. Gary Cooper I believe was over 6'3 peak, I'd peg him at .5 over this.
Ya Tall wouldn't be much in it with Clint. As Wayne would say I wouldn't like to live off the difference.
Hard to believe in that albeit b&w photo Wayne looked the picture of health but would be dead within 4 years and the scrawny Clint still going strong 46 years later.
I think Wayne has clear advantage over Scott in their movies together. Gary Cooper I believe was over 6'3 peak, I'd peg him at .5 over this.
Tall In The Saddle said on 21/Jul/21
@Canson@Bruno
Mel Ferrer is a good yardstick for a reliable 6’3”. It appeared Wayne had him but only slightly which I think I’ve acknowledged before. I also posted a photo some time back of Wayne and Cooper at a party and Coopers advantage is clear but perhaps too much so maybe a skewed angle to be factored. Other photos of the pair can sometimes suggest a pick’em. I’ve also seen a lot of photos of Wayne and Stewart in the 1970s and there’s no clear advantage for either. Slight edge one way or the other or appearing even. This perception goes back to back to Liberty Valance at the least. I do think Wayne lost a bit of height later in life but there are anomalies going back to his early career. For one, in the face of Randolph Scott, there seemed to be a noticeable uplift for Wayne moving from dress shoe to cowboy boot without Scott moving up in due proportion. I do think Wayne would edge Eastwood but certainly not by the margin suggested in their one and only photo together. Clint was on the slouch, fairly assumed to be in normal to flat heel vs Wayne’s cowboy boot with the added possibility the Duke was standing on higher ground.
@Canson@Bruno
Mel Ferrer is a good yardstick for a reliable 6’3”. It appeared Wayne had him but only slightly which I think I’ve acknowledged before. I also posted a photo some time back of Wayne and Cooper at a party and Coopers advantage is clear but perhaps too much so maybe a skewed angle to be factored. Other photos of the pair can sometimes suggest a pick’em. I’ve also seen a lot of photos of Wayne and Stewart in the 1970s and there’s no clear advantage for either. Slight edge one way or the other or appearing even. This perception goes back to back to Liberty Valance at the least. I do think Wayne lost a bit of height later in life but there are anomalies going back to his early career. For one, in the face of Randolph Scott, there seemed to be a noticeable uplift for Wayne moving from dress shoe to cowboy boot without Scott moving up in due proportion. I do think Wayne would edge Eastwood but certainly not by the margin suggested in their one and only photo together. Clint was on the slouch, fairly assumed to be in normal to flat heel vs Wayne’s cowboy boot with the added possibility the Duke was standing on higher ground.
Bruno61 said on 20/Jul/21
Also, various pics at different events in the 70s Wayne appears taller. Both wearing shoes. I've posted these before.
Wayne also was in Brannigan 1975 with Mel Ferrer (6'3") and was a bit taller. Both wearing shoes and you can see his shoes as he walks out of the room. No lifts.
Also, various pics at different events in the 70s Wayne appears taller. Both wearing shoes. I've posted these before.
Wayne also was in Brannigan 1975 with Mel Ferrer (6'3") and was a bit taller. Both wearing shoes and you can see his shoes as he walks out of the room. No lifts.
Canson said on 20/Jul/21
@Tall in the Saddle: he’s an interesting case too. He can look a bit shorter at times like Eastwood. I wonder if Wayne had lost height and if a lot of the pics we saw later in life were of him closer to 6’3”? But at their peaks, they could’ve been similar. Not sure who would edge the other out but I suspect Rob has it right here and I’d give it to Wayne and give Eastwood more 6’3.25” although I don’t rule out anything 6’3-6’3.5 either
@Tall in the Saddle: he’s an interesting case too. He can look a bit shorter at times like Eastwood. I wonder if Wayne had lost height and if a lot of the pics we saw later in life were of him closer to 6’3”? But at their peaks, they could’ve been similar. Not sure who would edge the other out but I suspect Rob has it right here and I’d give it to Wayne and give Eastwood more 6’3.25” although I don’t rule out anything 6’3-6’3.5 either
Canson said on 20/Jul/21
@Tall in the Saddle: he’s an interesting case too. He can look a bit shorter at times like Eastwood. I wonder if Wayne had lost height and if a lot of the pics we saw later in life were of him closer to 6’3”?
@Tall in the Saddle: he’s an interesting case too. He can look a bit shorter at times like Eastwood. I wonder if Wayne had lost height and if a lot of the pics we saw later in life were of him closer to 6’3”?
Tall In The Saddle said on 20/Jul/21
I can't comment on Howard relative to Wayne since I can't their scenes together. However, I think Stewart appeared to edge Wayne more often than not throughout the film. Stewart also wore a regular heel vs Wayne's cowboy boots though there might've been one scene in which Wayne removed his shoes for a medical examination. Again, can't recall for sure.
I can't comment on Howard relative to Wayne since I can't their scenes together. However, I think Stewart appeared to edge Wayne more often than not throughout the film. Stewart also wore a regular heel vs Wayne's cowboy boots though there might've been one scene in which Wayne removed his shoes for a medical examination. Again, can't recall for sure.
Bruno61 said on 18/Jul/21
Even in later life Wayne stood tall. The real kicker for the lifter theorists is that Wayne dwarfed a close to 5'10" Ron Howard in boots in The Shootist. JW was barefoot. He also looked a bit taller than Jimmy Stewart in that film.
Even in later life Wayne stood tall. The real kicker for the lifter theorists is that Wayne dwarfed a close to 5'10" Ron Howard in boots in The Shootist. JW was barefoot. He also looked a bit taller than Jimmy Stewart in that film.
Tall In The Saddle said on 17/Jul/21
@Hong@Canson
Yeah, 6’3 1/2” might be good for Wayne. I’ve long felt that if there isn’t give in Wayne’s listing then there would have to be an increase in height listings for multiple actors who stood better next to Wayne than their own current listings would suggest.
@Hong@Canson
Yeah, 6’3 1/2” might be good for Wayne. I’ve long felt that if there isn’t give in Wayne’s listing then there would have to be an increase in height listings for multiple actors who stood better next to Wayne than their own current listings would suggest.
Canson said on 15/Jul/21
@Hong: I think I agree with you on this one. 6’3.5” peak and that Baylor may be under listed a bit if that’s the case. I’m thinking the 6’3.75 was earlier in the day
@Hong: I think I agree with you on this one. 6’3.5” peak and that Baylor may be under listed a bit if that’s the case. I’m thinking the 6’3.75 was earlier in the day
Tall In The Saddle said on 14/Jul/21
I saw another scene with Wayne and Baylor from the same movie and Wayne's advantage was that bit better and certainly more so than in the clip I linked, up to 3/4" in the Duke's favor IMO.
Also viewed Wayne relative to Napier and it appeared about 2" or so in Napier's favor though Napier's posture wasn't so good. Hard to believe that Napier was only 49 yo when the movie was made. Would've been good to see Arness next to Napier. I would guess Arness to have the edge but both guys didn't exactly stand at their best. All in all, quite a tall cast bundled into the one movie.
I saw another scene with Wayne and Baylor from the same movie and Wayne's advantage was that bit better and certainly more so than in the clip I linked, up to 3/4" in the Duke's favor IMO.
Also viewed Wayne relative to Napier and it appeared about 2" or so in Napier's favor though Napier's posture wasn't so good. Hard to believe that Napier was only 49 yo when the movie was made. Would've been good to see Arness next to Napier. I would guess Arness to have the edge but both guys didn't exactly stand at their best. All in all, quite a tall cast bundled into the one movie.
Hong said on 14/Jul/21
@Tall ln The Saddle.I wasn't aware of this guy Baylor never heard of him,but in that clip I think Wayne has the edge,if Baylor was 6ft3 I can see Wayne at 6ft3.5,but Baylor is also listed as 6ft2 if that was indeed his true height that would leave Wayne looking struggling with 6ft3,but I think Wayne was clearly taller than this,so Baylor was probably closer to 6ft3.But as I observed in my original comment James Arness looks 6ft6.75 or maybe even 6ft7 compared to Wayne, if he was 6ft3.75? as listed on this website.Arness at 6ft6 flat makes Wayne know more than 6ft3 in comparison,which I don't believe was the case.
@Tall ln The Saddle.I wasn't aware of this guy Baylor never heard of him,but in that clip I think Wayne has the edge,if Baylor was 6ft3 I can see Wayne at 6ft3.5,but Baylor is also listed as 6ft2 if that was indeed his true height that would leave Wayne looking struggling with 6ft3,but I think Wayne was clearly taller than this,so Baylor was probably closer to 6ft3.But as I observed in my original comment James Arness looks 6ft6.75 or maybe even 6ft7 compared to Wayne, if he was 6ft3.75? as listed on this website.Arness at 6ft6 flat makes Wayne know more than 6ft3 in comparison,which I don't believe was the case.
Tall In The Saddle said on 13/Jul/21
@Bruno61 PS - Not sure what other real fights Wayne was involved in but I recall reading he dusted off antagonistic director, John Huston, in short order. Not bad, Huston knew a thing or two about scrapping and shared even pugilistic honors with Errol Flynn during a Hollywood party. Perhaps the best substantiated off screen punch up was that between Robert Mitchum and Bernie Reynolds, the latter a real life pro and one time opponent of Rocky Marciano. Mitchum made short work of him and even gave him the slipper. A real life tough guy for sure.
@Bruno61 PS - Not sure what other real fights Wayne was involved in but I recall reading he dusted off antagonistic director, John Huston, in short order. Not bad, Huston knew a thing or two about scrapping and shared even pugilistic honors with Errol Flynn during a Hollywood party. Perhaps the best substantiated off screen punch up was that between Robert Mitchum and Bernie Reynolds, the latter a real life pro and one time opponent of Rocky Marciano. Mitchum made short work of him and even gave him the slipper. A real life tough guy for sure.
Tall In The Saddle said on 13/Jul/21
@Bruno61
Fair call bro. I can see where Baylor does stand a bit shorter during the scene but then he does straighten to actually hold a slight edge. Baylor's hair stands a bit higher than Wayne's slicked back hair but I've tried to account for that. I haven't seen the vision of Wayne with Napier. I'll try to check that out.
I did find another clip however from the same movie with Wayne and well known character actor Hans Conried. I found one, maybe two online listing references for Conried's height which was detailed as 6'2". As you watch the scene it's notable how the moving position of the camera and posture changes can present somewhat different impressions at any given moment, thus the peril of still photo captures. Anyway, averaging it out, Wayne is obviously taller and I would range his advantage from 1" to 1 1/4". More sources as to Conried's height would be preferable and it's possible that he himself wasn't necessarily just a flat 6'2". All just my opinion of course, I'm interested anyone else's assessment of the vision.
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@Bruno61
Fair call bro. I can see where Baylor does stand a bit shorter during the scene but then he does straighten to actually hold a slight edge. Baylor's hair stands a bit higher than Wayne's slicked back hair but I've tried to account for that. I haven't seen the vision of Wayne with Napier. I'll try to check that out.
I did find another clip however from the same movie with Wayne and well known character actor Hans Conried. I found one, maybe two online listing references for Conried's height which was detailed as 6'2". As you watch the scene it's notable how the moving position of the camera and posture changes can present somewhat different impressions at any given moment, thus the peril of still photo captures. Anyway, averaging it out, Wayne is obviously taller and I would range his advantage from 1" to 1 1/4". More sources as to Conried's height would be preferable and it's possible that he himself wasn't necessarily just a flat 6'2". All just my opinion of course, I'm interested anyone else's assessment of the vision.
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Bruno61 said on 12/Jul/21
To me looks taller than Baylor, also Wayne was pretty handy with his fists. To me looked around 2" lower than Alan Napier in the same film. Undoubtedly near to 6'4" at peak, and proves he didn't care acting with taller men.
To me looks taller than Baylor, also Wayne was pretty handy with his fists. To me looked around 2" lower than Alan Napier in the same film. Undoubtedly near to 6'4" at peak, and proves he didn't care acting with taller men.
Tall In The Saddle said on 12/Jul/21
@Hong
Wow, great clip focused in on Arness and Wayne. Notice how much Arness is hunching most of the time, losing some fair height there.
Here's another clip from Big Jim Mclain, with Wayne and burly actor Hal Baylor. Go to 7 sec mark, Click Here. Now there are a few random listings for Baylor of 6'4". However, it seems there are more listing him at 6'3". Looks pretty much on par with Wayne for the most part and in some moments appears to edge Wayne. LOL though, it's noticeable how Wayne strangely leans back at the hips at times, losing a bit of height.
Another interesting tidbit is that Baylor used to box professionally under the name Hal Fieberling and Boxrec lists him at 188 cm (6'2") Click Here with a fair win loss record. No problem for the Duke of course, who knocks Baylor out with single left swing. Hahaha.
@Hong
Wow, great clip focused in on Arness and Wayne. Notice how much Arness is hunching most of the time, losing some fair height there.
Here's another clip from Big Jim Mclain, with Wayne and burly actor Hal Baylor. Go to 7 sec mark, Click Here. Now there are a few random listings for Baylor of 6'4". However, it seems there are more listing him at 6'3". Looks pretty much on par with Wayne for the most part and in some moments appears to edge Wayne. LOL though, it's noticeable how Wayne strangely leans back at the hips at times, losing a bit of height.
Another interesting tidbit is that Baylor used to box professionally under the name Hal Fieberling and Boxrec lists him at 188 cm (6'2") Click Here with a fair win loss record. No problem for the Duke of course, who knocks Baylor out with single left swing. Hahaha.
Hong said on 12/Jul/21
@Rob,look at the very start of the clip with Arness,you can clearly see there is more than 2.25 inches between Wayne and Arness,if Arness was 6ft6 flat Wayne looks know more than 6ft3 in comparison,or Arness needs an upgrade back to 6ft7 or 6ft6.75.
@Rob,look at the very start of the clip with Arness,you can clearly see there is more than 2.25 inches between Wayne and Arness,if Arness was 6ft6 flat Wayne looks know more than 6ft3 in comparison,or Arness needs an upgrade back to 6ft7 or 6ft6.75.
Hong said on 10/Jul/21
Click Here When they walk in the corridor Arness looks 3 inches taller than Wayne,he definitely looks closer to 6ft7 than a flat 6ft6 if Wayne was 6ft3.75.
Click Here When they walk in the corridor Arness looks 3 inches taller than Wayne,he definitely looks closer to 6ft7 than a flat 6ft6 if Wayne was 6ft3.75.
Tall In The Saddle said on 8/Jul/21
Here’s the Wayne Arness photo I meant to include in my last post.
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Here’s the Wayne Arness photo I meant to include in my last post.
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Tall In The Saddle said on 7/Jul/21
Here's Wayne with Arness in later years, circa 1972 so Wayne is about 65 yo while Arness is somewhat younger at 49 yo. Still, that's quite the height pull and certainly more than I recall from their movie Big Jim McLain 1952.
Similar to Stewart and Grant in later years, whereby, as compared to their comparative heights in Philadelphia Story, Grant appeared to have dropped some noticeable height since then while Jimmy was still standing tall. Arness was somewhat of a sloucher in his day, perhaps self conscious or simply trying to bring himself down to the height of lesser mortals. ;)
Here's Wayne with Arness in later years, circa 1972 so Wayne is about 65 yo while Arness is somewhat younger at 49 yo. Still, that's quite the height pull and certainly more than I recall from their movie Big Jim McLain 1952.
Similar to Stewart and Grant in later years, whereby, as compared to their comparative heights in Philadelphia Story, Grant appeared to have dropped some noticeable height since then while Jimmy was still standing tall. Arness was somewhat of a sloucher in his day, perhaps self conscious or simply trying to bring himself down to the height of lesser mortals. ;)
Hong said on 6/Jul/21
Click Here Here's Wayne with 6ft6 listed James Arness,if Arness was 6ft6 flat? Wayne is looking not much over 6ft3 to me.I personally believe Arness was nearer 6ft7 myself,that would match Wayne's 6ft3.75 listing.
Click Here Here's Wayne with 6ft6 listed James Arness,if Arness was 6ft6 flat? Wayne is looking not much over 6ft3 to me.I personally believe Arness was nearer 6ft7 myself,that would match Wayne's 6ft3.75 listing.
Jug said on 4/Jul/21
Wayne could not have been less than 6’3 and looked pretty near 6’4 for most of his career, even when he was older. Had the proportions of a 6’4 man: long legs and massive torso. He was stronger in build and bigger boned than Clint Eastwood, so this could give the impression that he was not as tall, yet he always towered over everyone. Next to Rock Hudson in one film he looked an inch shorter. I don’t think he was wearing lifts in non-cowboy roles like Brannigan and McQ. He wore loafers and still walked his signature walk. I would give him the full 6’4, and he never seemed to lose much height as he aged.
Wayne could not have been less than 6’3 and looked pretty near 6’4 for most of his career, even when he was older. Had the proportions of a 6’4 man: long legs and massive torso. He was stronger in build and bigger boned than Clint Eastwood, so this could give the impression that he was not as tall, yet he always towered over everyone. Next to Rock Hudson in one film he looked an inch shorter. I don’t think he was wearing lifts in non-cowboy roles like Brannigan and McQ. He wore loafers and still walked his signature walk. I would give him the full 6’4, and he never seemed to lose much height as he aged.
Dr Decker said on 29/Jun/21
I’d say strong 6-3. Looked sub 6-2 in later days imo.
I’d say strong 6-3. Looked sub 6-2 in later days imo.
Arch Stanton said on 27/Jun/21
In Rio Bravo Wayne made Dean Martin look 5 ft 8 range in some scenes, certainly nowhere near 5 ft 10. I think Deano was around 5'9.5 based on all I've seen so Wayne was looking taller than this.
In Rio Bravo Wayne made Dean Martin look 5 ft 8 range in some scenes, certainly nowhere near 5 ft 10. I think Deano was around 5'9.5 based on all I've seen so Wayne was looking taller than this.
Arch Stanton said on 27/Jun/21
There was also a lot in the 6 ft-1- 6 ft 3 range Wayne worked alongside, next to those he would look tall but not give the towering impression he would if most of his co-stars were 5 ft 7 -5 ft 9. I would say 5 ft 7 range was about average for his generation, Sinatra and Bing would have been good examples of average height then I think. Also even a lot of the woman he was opposite like Sophia Loren and Maureen O'Hara were tall range.
There was also a lot in the 6 ft-1- 6 ft 3 range Wayne worked alongside, next to those he would look tall but not give the towering impression he would if most of his co-stars were 5 ft 7 -5 ft 9. I would say 5 ft 7 range was about average for his generation, Sinatra and Bing would have been good examples of average height then I think. Also even a lot of the woman he was opposite like Sophia Loren and Maureen O'Hara were tall range.
Tall In The Saddle said on 25/Jun/21
@Arch
That is true, Wayne did work alongside some pretty tall actors.
Interesting that the 1970s spawned notably shorter leading man than were being cast some 30 years prior. Among some of Wayne's more notably tall co-actors I recall offhand were James Arness, Chuck Connors and Mike Mazurki. I remember Mazurki as Clon from reruns of the old series IT'S ABOUT TIME. LOL. When you're a kid you think such series' ran for years but many only ran for 1 season or so, we just sat and watched the same season over and over.
@Arch
That is true, Wayne did work alongside some pretty tall actors.
Interesting that the 1970s spawned notably shorter leading man than were being cast some 30 years prior. Among some of Wayne's more notably tall co-actors I recall offhand were James Arness, Chuck Connors and Mike Mazurki. I remember Mazurki as Clon from reruns of the old series IT'S ABOUT TIME. LOL. When you're a kid you think such series' ran for years but many only ran for 1 season or so, we just sat and watched the same season over and over.
Arch Stanton said on 25/Jun/21
Well he was often surrounded by tall guys in his films. Seeing him in boat shoes with Marvin he did genuinely look this.
Well he was often surrounded by tall guys in his films. Seeing him in boat shoes with Marvin he did genuinely look this.
adreed said on 23/Jun/21
Never seemed that tall in movies
Never seemed that tall in movies
Tall In The Saddle said on 19/Jun/21
@Chaos
My orig response didn’t get through. Sure, no prob with 6’3 1/2” to 6’3 3/4” but if I had to pick either of the two extremes I’d choose the former.
@Chaos
My orig response didn’t get through. Sure, no prob with 6’3 1/2” to 6’3 3/4” but if I had to pick either of the two extremes I’d choose the former.
Leo2001 said on 17/Jun/21
Listed as 1.88(6 feet 2) in the mexican documents.
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6 feet 4 in the Driver License:
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Listed as 1.88(6 feet 2) in the mexican documents.
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6 feet 4 in the Driver License:
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Tall In The Saddle said on 17/Jun/21
@Chaos
Yeah, that height range is realistically the most fair but If I had to pick either of the two extremes I’d opt for 6’ 3 1/2”.
@Chaos
Yeah, that height range is realistically the most fair but If I had to pick either of the two extremes I’d opt for 6’ 3 1/2”.
Chaos 6'2 1/2 said on 14/Jun/21
@T. I. T. S. would you agree that Wayne was 6’3.5-6’3.75?
@T. I. T. S. would you agree that Wayne was 6’3.5-6’3.75?
Tall In The Saddle said on 13/Jun/21
I used to reject the proposition that Wayne wore lifts as an urban myth. He was already a tall, all round, big guy. Then I came to realize even among the very tall, there is a certain contingent still driven to lift in order to be THE tallest or near enough to. Wayne seems to fit into that category.
So, hypothetically, not a lot of lift required for a legit 6'3 1/2" to improve himself to a rock solid 6'4" or even a touch over. By all other comparisons, legit 6'4" Woody Strode should've stood taller than Wayne in Liberty Valance. I don't recall one scene in which that was the case and a lot the time Strode appeared a touch shorter. Maybe the illusion included deliberate camera angles and/or Strode's subservient character not necessarily wearing full heeled cowboy boots. At any rate, there are plenty of other examples of anomalies re Wayne's height.
I used to reject the proposition that Wayne wore lifts as an urban myth. He was already a tall, all round, big guy. Then I came to realize even among the very tall, there is a certain contingent still driven to lift in order to be THE tallest or near enough to. Wayne seems to fit into that category.
So, hypothetically, not a lot of lift required for a legit 6'3 1/2" to improve himself to a rock solid 6'4" or even a touch over. By all other comparisons, legit 6'4" Woody Strode should've stood taller than Wayne in Liberty Valance. I don't recall one scene in which that was the case and a lot the time Strode appeared a touch shorter. Maybe the illusion included deliberate camera angles and/or Strode's subservient character not necessarily wearing full heeled cowboy boots. At any rate, there are plenty of other examples of anomalies re Wayne's height.
Chaos 6'2 1/2 said on 9/Jun/21
I’ve been on this page a lot, and so I’m finally gonna comment on Wayne’s height. I think 6’3.5 is the best shot. He insisted he was 6’4, but was known for wearing lifts so if he looked a legit 6’4 you can probably take at least half an inch off, but there’s evidence he was more than just a solid 6’3 at his low. So 6’3.5-6’3.75 is my guess. I’ll put 6’3.75 as it correlates better with the listing and my estimation
I’ve been on this page a lot, and so I’m finally gonna comment on Wayne’s height. I think 6’3.5 is the best shot. He insisted he was 6’4, but was known for wearing lifts so if he looked a legit 6’4 you can probably take at least half an inch off, but there’s evidence he was more than just a solid 6’3 at his low. So 6’3.5-6’3.75 is my guess. I’ll put 6’3.75 as it correlates better with the listing and my estimation
Tall In The Saddle said on 9/Jun/21
@Hong
That’s a rare clip. I’ve only seen stills of that day. Just IMO, I see a see saw advantage between them as they walk along, likely due to their varying gait and a surface that isn’t quite flat. All things equal, I would guess Cooper to be either Wayne’s height or barely shy of it.
@Hong
That’s a rare clip. I’ve only seen stills of that day. Just IMO, I see a see saw advantage between them as they walk along, likely due to their varying gait and a surface that isn’t quite flat. All things equal, I would guess Cooper to be either Wayne’s height or barely shy of it.
Hong said on 4/Jun/21
Click Here Here's a video from 1958,at the very end Wayne is walking alongside Gary Cooper they look similar enough although Wayne seems to have the slight edge IMO.
Click Here Here's a video from 1958,at the very end Wayne is walking alongside Gary Cooper they look similar enough although Wayne seems to have the slight edge IMO.
ChaosControl 6'2.5/189.2cm said on 1/Jun/21
@T. I. T. S. I would not put it past someone like him to understate his weight. Or perhaps make an MMA fighter-esque weight cut from 220+ to 212
@T. I. T. S. I would not put it past someone like him to understate his weight. Or perhaps make an MMA fighter-esque weight cut from 220+ to 212
Tall In The Saddle said on 1/Jun/21
@Chaos
Yeah, I saw that quote. I dunno. He loses a bit of credibility from the get go by suggesting Wayne was 6'5"but maybe he's including cowboy boots?. I'd probably take what Wayne wrote on his form, height and weight, over his grandson's claims though his grandson did get the shoe size right. Not that Wayne's self reported stats on the OSS form are iron clad evidence and of course Wayne could've been understating his true weight and overstating his true height on the form just out of sheer vanity. There have been claims that the Duke also wore girdles or the like to keep the belly in check. I mean, it is possible that Wayne hit 260 lb for an all time high later in life, so the grandson's claim maybe legit in that respect. He was a big framed man for sure but not so much heavily muscled, as many weren't back in the day.
@Chaos
Yeah, I saw that quote. I dunno. He loses a bit of credibility from the get go by suggesting Wayne was 6'5"but maybe he's including cowboy boots?. I'd probably take what Wayne wrote on his form, height and weight, over his grandson's claims though his grandson did get the shoe size right. Not that Wayne's self reported stats on the OSS form are iron clad evidence and of course Wayne could've been understating his true weight and overstating his true height on the form just out of sheer vanity. There have been claims that the Duke also wore girdles or the like to keep the belly in check. I mean, it is possible that Wayne hit 260 lb for an all time high later in life, so the grandson's claim maybe legit in that respect. He was a big framed man for sure but not so much heavily muscled, as many weren't back in the day.
ChaosControl 6'2.5/189.2cm said on 31/May/21
@T. I. T. S. if we’re talking about weight claims, his grandson said 6’5 260 in a quote on this page
@T. I. T. S. if we’re talking about weight claims, his grandson said 6’5 260 in a quote on this page
ChaosControl 6'2.5/189.2cm said on 30/May/21
@T. I. T. S. I misread it then cause I thought it said 221 pounds
@T. I. T. S. I misread it then cause I thought it said 221 pounds
Tall In The Saddle said on 30/May/21
@Chaos
Just noticed at the top of this page that Rob has quoted that 36 yo Wayne gave a weight of 212 lbs on his 1943 O.S.S. application form.
@Chaos
Just noticed at the top of this page that Rob has quoted that 36 yo Wayne gave a weight of 212 lbs on his 1943 O.S.S. application form.
ChaosControl 6'2.5/189.2cm said on 30/May/21
@T. I. T. S. I can believe he would’ve weighed a bit more than me, he was about an inch taller. Maybe 215-220 but I’d think over 210
@T. I. T. S. I can believe he would’ve weighed a bit more than me, he was about an inch taller. Maybe 215-220 but I’d think over 210
Tall In The Saddle said on 28/May/21
@Chaos
Unfortunately I don't get to read your each and every post. Maybe Rob has the facility to set up alerts? LOL. Anyway, sounds like you want to get your weight out there so you should welcome a few more opportunities. After all, you did incorrectly attribute a recent weight related quote to me, so there you go. So, hitting refresh, I didn't guess Wayne to be 230 lbs. Rather, I would actually give peak Wayne more like 210 to 220 lbs.
@Chaos
Unfortunately I don't get to read your each and every post. Maybe Rob has the facility to set up alerts? LOL. Anyway, sounds like you want to get your weight out there so you should welcome a few more opportunities. After all, you did incorrectly attribute a recent weight related quote to me, so there you go. So, hitting refresh, I didn't guess Wayne to be 230 lbs. Rather, I would actually give peak Wayne more like 210 to 220 lbs.
ChaosControl 6'2.5/189.2cm said on 26/May/21
@T. I. T. S. you two have very similar typing styles. By the way, what did you expect me to weight? I’ve said I’m 205-210 like 100 times here
@T. I. T. S. you two have very similar typing styles. By the way, what did you expect me to weight? I’ve said I’m 205-210 like 100 times here
ChaosControl 6'2.5/189.2cm said on 26/May/21
@T. I. T. S. you two have very similar typing styles. By the way, what did you expect me to weight? I’ve said I’m 205-210 like 100 times here
@T. I. T. S. you two have very similar typing styles. By the way, what did you expect me to weight? I’ve said I’m 205-210 like 100 times here
Tall In The Saddle said on 25/May/21
@Chaos
That was Ian C who estimated Wayne to be 230 lb. No matter, I'm talking peak Wayne, at an age comparable to your own, when he was more svelte and before middle age spread. I also thought you might've been going around a bit heavier than 210 lb. My Dad had big mitts also but he complained that they made it difficult for him to perform the finer tasks, like watch and electronic repairs etc. Check out boxer Barry McGuigan's page and his fist sized compared to Rob's. His closed fist is a bit closer to camera but there are plenty of testimonies otherwise as to his possessing relatively over sized hands. Depending on what you're using them for, big hands can either be a great benefit or a major hindrance I guess. Mine are average, a happy medium I would say.
@Chaos
That was Ian C who estimated Wayne to be 230 lb. No matter, I'm talking peak Wayne, at an age comparable to your own, when he was more svelte and before middle age spread. I also thought you might've been going around a bit heavier than 210 lb. My Dad had big mitts also but he complained that they made it difficult for him to perform the finer tasks, like watch and electronic repairs etc. Check out boxer Barry McGuigan's page and his fist sized compared to Rob's. His closed fist is a bit closer to camera but there are plenty of testimonies otherwise as to his possessing relatively over sized hands. Depending on what you're using them for, big hands can either be a great benefit or a major hindrance I guess. Mine are average, a happy medium I would say.
ChaosControl 6'2.5/189.2cm said on 24/May/21
@T. I. T. S. I’m guessing I’m lighter than Wayne cause I’m 205-210 and you said yourself “Id estimate Wayne’s bulk as 230 pounds”. I did the maths and my hands are a touch above average at 8.25” from wrist to fingertip, which using the heightx0.11 formula for average male hand size is an average hand length for 6’3, but aim close enough to the mark that i can’t really say I’ve got big hands. My stepdad’s hands are massive though, he’s 5’8.5 with 7.9” hand which is average for a 5’11.75-6’0 man
@T. I. T. S. I’m guessing I’m lighter than Wayne cause I’m 205-210 and you said yourself “Id estimate Wayne’s bulk as 230 pounds”. I did the maths and my hands are a touch above average at 8.25” from wrist to fingertip, which using the heightx0.11 formula for average male hand size is an average hand length for 6’3, but aim close enough to the mark that i can’t really say I’ve got big hands. My stepdad’s hands are massive though, he’s 5’8.5 with 7.9” hand which is average for a 5’11.75-6’0 man
Tall In The Saddle said on 23/May/21
@Chaos
I guess that would make you a US size 14. I assume boxing boots are sized the same. I recall reading Ali wore a size 15 boot so in terms of height to shoe size you two kinda correlate but of course there are enough exceptions to prevent any type of “rule”. You’re pretty solid though, are sure you’re lighter than peak Wayne?
I’m not really sure how legit Wayne’s alleged shoe size is. I know small feet were implied by his imprints in pavement but it might’ve been an inaccurate impression, viz: shoe not fully immersed. . Most I’ve read for Wayne is size 11 which I assume is the US metric so that would be a UK 10 and still small for his height.
Segway: Ever compared your hands to Trumps? There’s an alleged to scale outline of Trumps hand online. I compared my hand and mine were bigger. For his height and size his hands are notably small. I won’t push further into other potential correlations to hand size. Big T has told us everything is “fine” down there, so we must believe him, right? Big T never lies. :)
@Chaos
I guess that would make you a US size 14. I assume boxing boots are sized the same. I recall reading Ali wore a size 15 boot so in terms of height to shoe size you two kinda correlate but of course there are enough exceptions to prevent any type of “rule”. You’re pretty solid though, are sure you’re lighter than peak Wayne?
I’m not really sure how legit Wayne’s alleged shoe size is. I know small feet were implied by his imprints in pavement but it might’ve been an inaccurate impression, viz: shoe not fully immersed. . Most I’ve read for Wayne is size 11 which I assume is the US metric so that would be a UK 10 and still small for his height.
Segway: Ever compared your hands to Trumps? There’s an alleged to scale outline of Trumps hand online. I compared my hand and mine were bigger. For his height and size his hands are notably small. I won’t push further into other potential correlations to hand size. Big T has told us everything is “fine” down there, so we must believe him, right? Big T never lies. :)
strawberry Jerry said on 23/May/21
Wayne was no less than 2.5 inches taller than Marvin,2".5-2".75 to be exact
Wayne was no less than 2.5 inches taller than Marvin,2".5-2".75 to be exact
ChaosControl 6'2.5/189.2cm said on 20/May/21
@T. I. T. S. I wear UK size 13 and I’m certainly shorter and lighter than Wayne
@T. I. T. S. I wear UK size 13 and I’m certainly shorter and lighter than Wayne
Tall In The Saddle said on 18/May/21
@Viper
Are we talking US 11 not UK 11? The UK equivalent for US 11 is 10 I believe. Conversely, the US equivalent for a UK 11 is 12. Everything is bigger and better in the States as they say, even if only by way of alternate units of measure. LOL. TBH, with greater unit divisibility, the more precise the measurement.
Re Bette Davis quote on this page. Is the Bette Davis quote re Wayne lifting new or have I just missed it previously? Great quote anyway though perhaps some undertone of an axe to grind and it wouldn't be Bette's first or only. Anyway, for the sake of argument, let's say Wayne did stand between 6'3.5" and 6'3.75" barefoot, tall any which way, right? Did he not appear to sometimes stand that bit taller in cowboy boots and possibly sometimes dress shoes? From dress shoe to cowboy boots it seems Wayne gained a small yet discernible increased advantage over actors like Randolph Scott. Not an outrageous lift but enough to put him at a solid 6'4" or even a touch over. In in equal off screen footwear, there is little to choose between he and Gary Cooper. Also, of the few photos of them available together an older Wayne did not at all look taller than Buddy Ebsen.
@Viper
Are we talking US 11 not UK 11? The UK equivalent for US 11 is 10 I believe. Conversely, the US equivalent for a UK 11 is 12. Everything is bigger and better in the States as they say, even if only by way of alternate units of measure. LOL. TBH, with greater unit divisibility, the more precise the measurement.
Re Bette Davis quote on this page. Is the Bette Davis quote re Wayne lifting new or have I just missed it previously? Great quote anyway though perhaps some undertone of an axe to grind and it wouldn't be Bette's first or only. Anyway, for the sake of argument, let's say Wayne did stand between 6'3.5" and 6'3.75" barefoot, tall any which way, right? Did he not appear to sometimes stand that bit taller in cowboy boots and possibly sometimes dress shoes? From dress shoe to cowboy boots it seems Wayne gained a small yet discernible increased advantage over actors like Randolph Scott. Not an outrageous lift but enough to put him at a solid 6'4" or even a touch over. In in equal off screen footwear, there is little to choose between he and Gary Cooper. Also, of the few photos of them available together an older Wayne did not at all look taller than Buddy Ebsen.
viper said on 16/May/21
How much does foot size correlate with height?
I'm 6-3 with a 10.5 foot, but I wear 11's since I like the extra room
How much does foot size correlate with height?
I'm 6-3 with a 10.5 foot, but I wear 11's since I like the extra room
Tall In The Saddle said on 14/May/21
@Hong
Relative to his listing here I’m about 6” shy of Wayne’s height but like you I also wear size 10 shoes.
@Ian C
You’re about 6’4” right? Assuming it roughly correlates with your height I’m gonna guess a shoe size of 13 for you.
Flynn and Connery weren’t too shabby but I’ll definitely give you Lancaster. Of course Burt was a circus performer and quite the all round athlete otherwise. Most would compare poorly to him. He was a solid well muscled guy though still several inches shorter and that much lighter than Wayne.
I love talking about the old movies stars. I know a fair bit but when they’re brought up it gives me cause to read up some more on them and maybe learn something new. I just read now that Burt apparently had a fear of water and took swimming lessons specifically for his role in THE SWIMMER. For a 55 yo, particularly for that era, Burt was still in very good shape for that film.
My Dad really liked THE SWIMMER. We stayed at a resort one time with about 5 different pools scattered over the complex and Dad made a point to replicate Burt’s pool crawl, swimming the length of each pool from one to another. Nice memories.
@Hong
Relative to his listing here I’m about 6” shy of Wayne’s height but like you I also wear size 10 shoes.
@Ian C
You’re about 6’4” right? Assuming it roughly correlates with your height I’m gonna guess a shoe size of 13 for you.
Flynn and Connery weren’t too shabby but I’ll definitely give you Lancaster. Of course Burt was a circus performer and quite the all round athlete otherwise. Most would compare poorly to him. He was a solid well muscled guy though still several inches shorter and that much lighter than Wayne.
I love talking about the old movies stars. I know a fair bit but when they’re brought up it gives me cause to read up some more on them and maybe learn something new. I just read now that Burt apparently had a fear of water and took swimming lessons specifically for his role in THE SWIMMER. For a 55 yo, particularly for that era, Burt was still in very good shape for that film.
My Dad really liked THE SWIMMER. We stayed at a resort one time with about 5 different pools scattered over the complex and Dad made a point to replicate Burt’s pool crawl, swimming the length of each pool from one to another. Nice memories.
Ian C. said on 14/May/21
I think you could fairly classify Wayne as an action star, Tall, since most of his movies involved fistfighting, or at least shooting people. That's why his physical awkwardness comes as such a surprise. Compare him to other big men, like Errol Flynn or Burt Lancaster or Sean Connery, and he's really kind of pathetic.
I think you could fairly classify Wayne as an action star, Tall, since most of his movies involved fistfighting, or at least shooting people. That's why his physical awkwardness comes as such a surprise. Compare him to other big men, like Errol Flynn or Burt Lancaster or Sean Connery, and he's really kind of pathetic.
Tall In The Saddle said on 13/May/21
Watch the early Wayne. His body "acting" wasn't much to speak of. Perhaps, even, fairly described as awkward and stiff like someone who didn't know where or how to stand, walk or put their hands. It's claimed that director John Ford helped develop Wayne's later signature walk, gestures and postures. He then had a number of physical "go tos" to support the character. Eccentric yes but I wouldn't call them clumsy, rather, a very unique "swag" of sorts. However these traits came to pass they were certainly memorable and oft imitated. Ask impressionist Rich Little who has Wayne to thank for a lot of his material. Excellent branding. Wayne worked within his physical limitations and simply maximized what he had. Had he tried to go beyond same he would surely have looked clumsy. Clint was more lithe and athletic but I guess it all boils down to want you want or expect from your western hero.
Watch the early Wayne. His body "acting" wasn't much to speak of. Perhaps, even, fairly described as awkward and stiff like someone who didn't know where or how to stand, walk or put their hands. It's claimed that director John Ford helped develop Wayne's later signature walk, gestures and postures. He then had a number of physical "go tos" to support the character. Eccentric yes but I wouldn't call them clumsy, rather, a very unique "swag" of sorts. However these traits came to pass they were certainly memorable and oft imitated. Ask impressionist Rich Little who has Wayne to thank for a lot of his material. Excellent branding. Wayne worked within his physical limitations and simply maximized what he had. Had he tried to go beyond same he would surely have looked clumsy. Clint was more lithe and athletic but I guess it all boils down to want you want or expect from your western hero.
Hong said on 12/May/21
Size 9 feet that would explain it,I'm 5ft10.5 and wear size 10.
Size 9 feet that would explain it,I'm 5ft10.5 and wear size 10.
Ian C. said on 11/May/21
Wayne was heavier on his feet, Hong, which were small. Like, size 9 Too small to adequately support Wayne's bulk, which I would estimate at about 230 pounds when he was in his mid-30s. Wayne played football for USC when he was young, but got cut. His story is that he had broken his collarbone and therefore couldn't play, but the other story is that he was too slow.
Eastwood did not run well, but was otherwise very athletic. He did his own fast draw stunts as The Man With No Name. (All the more remarkable since he used a Colt army revolver that loaded seven shots. I've frame-by-framed the DVD of the two big gun battles in A Fistful of Dollars, and that pistol had a magic extra chamber.)
Wayne was heavier on his feet, Hong, which were small. Like, size 9 Too small to adequately support Wayne's bulk, which I would estimate at about 230 pounds when he was in his mid-30s. Wayne played football for USC when he was young, but got cut. His story is that he had broken his collarbone and therefore couldn't play, but the other story is that he was too slow.
Eastwood did not run well, but was otherwise very athletic. He did his own fast draw stunts as The Man With No Name. (All the more remarkable since he used a Colt army revolver that loaded seven shots. I've frame-by-framed the DVD of the two big gun battles in A Fistful of Dollars, and that pistol had a magic extra chamber.)
Hong said on 10/May/21
Clint was a slimmer build than Wayne,lighter on his feet.
Clint was a slimmer build than Wayne,lighter on his feet.
Ian C. said on 9/May/21
John Wayne was clumsy. I was watching him in Hondo the other day, and he lurches when he walks. He was wearing cowboy boots, it is true, but Clint Eastwood, who was just as tall, often did too. Eastwood had a smooth, graceful walk, and seemed quite agile in fight scenes (like the one in the poolroom in Coogan's Bluff.)
John Wayne was clumsy. I was watching him in Hondo the other day, and he lurches when he walks. He was wearing cowboy boots, it is true, but Clint Eastwood, who was just as tall, often did too. Eastwood had a smooth, graceful walk, and seemed quite agile in fight scenes (like the one in the poolroom in Coogan's Bluff.)
Rampage(-_-_-)Clover said on 6/May/21
Marvin at a strong 6ft1 and Wayne at a weak 6ft4 looks right
Marvin at a strong 6ft1 and Wayne at a weak 6ft4 looks right
D Prather said on 4/May/21
I read Paul Picerni's book, 'Steps to Stardom'. He said in the book Wayne wore lifts. Then I met Picerni at an event. I said "Were you joking about John Wayne wearing lifts?" Picerni said "he wore lifts, he had a toupee, his teeth were false. He was an actor and everyone wants to think he was John Wayne in real life".
I read Paul Picerni's book, 'Steps to Stardom'. He said in the book Wayne wore lifts. Then I met Picerni at an event. I said "Were you joking about John Wayne wearing lifts?" Picerni said "he wore lifts, he had a toupee, his teeth were false. He was an actor and everyone wants to think he was John Wayne in real life".
Hong said on 3/May/21
I don't get why people doubt Wayne's height,he aways looked tall to me and 6ft3.5 peak is more than believable,in fact the full 6ft4 for example with Marvin seems not to farfetched.
I don't get why people doubt Wayne's height,he aways looked tall to me and 6ft3.5 peak is more than believable,in fact the full 6ft4 for example with Marvin seems not to farfetched.
Arch Stanton said on 2/May/21
No lifts in those boats shoes, you could see his feet. I think it was about 2.5 inches between Marvin and Wayne.
No lifts in those boats shoes, you could see his feet. I think it was about 2.5 inches between Marvin and Wayne.
Arch Stanton said on 2/May/21
jock said on 5/Feb/21
In the film Donavans Reef, there is a scene were Wayne and Lee Marvin climb out of a pool, they then walk side by side towards the bar both waring soft boat shoes, if Marvin is 6 feet 1 inch which most people agree with, clearly Wayne has a good 2 inches over him, watch the scene and judge for yourself,
Yes, that's one of the best pieces of evidence to prove Wayne was taller than 6'2 range. Brendan Wayne thinks he was 6 ft 5, Rock Hudson is laughing from his grave!
jock said on 5/Feb/21
In the film Donavans Reef, there is a scene were Wayne and Lee Marvin climb out of a pool, they then walk side by side towards the bar both waring soft boat shoes, if Marvin is 6 feet 1 inch which most people agree with, clearly Wayne has a good 2 inches over him, watch the scene and judge for yourself,
Yes, that's one of the best pieces of evidence to prove Wayne was taller than 6'2 range. Brendan Wayne thinks he was 6 ft 5, Rock Hudson is laughing from his grave!
Hong said on 7/Apr/21
Click Here Here's Wayne looking pretty tall next to Dean Martin.
Editor Rob
Click Here Here's Wayne looking pretty tall next to Dean Martin.
Editor Robat the start notice Wayne kind of stretching...looks a big guy there.
and who knows if Martin was in normal shoes.
and who knows if Martin was in normal shoes.
Tall In The Saddle said on 29/Mar/21
Interesting new quote added for Wayne re suggestions he might've worn lifts. Obviously a long standing suspicion.
I don't think musing the possibility of lifts necessarily defaults to believing Wayne was short. He obviously wasn't and even if a flat 6'3" for example, that would still constitute itself as tall. Minor lifting and advantage camera angles could make one look that little bit taller again and 6'4" would be easily achievable from an already tall 6'3" or so. I've only seen clips of the movie BRANNIGAN but recall Wayne appearing to have an edge on Mel Ferrer who was a solid 6'3" IMO.
Interesting new quote added for Wayne re suggestions he might've worn lifts. Obviously a long standing suspicion.
I don't think musing the possibility of lifts necessarily defaults to believing Wayne was short. He obviously wasn't and even if a flat 6'3" for example, that would still constitute itself as tall. Minor lifting and advantage camera angles could make one look that little bit taller again and 6'4" would be easily achievable from an already tall 6'3" or so. I've only seen clips of the movie BRANNIGAN but recall Wayne appearing to have an edge on Mel Ferrer who was a solid 6'3" IMO.
Tall In The Saddle said on 9/Mar/21
@Bruno61
Sure, hard source evidence is always preferable but obviously hard to come by in respect of height confirmation. As such, it often boils down to a healthy sampling of subjective visual assessments and deductive reasoning. In short (excuse pun) as it pertains to The Duke at least, I’ve noted variances in his standing height relative to other actors like Scott, particularly when comparing both in dress shoes vs both cowboy boots, with Wayne appearing to gain a bit more edge in the latter footwear. Of course ground and angles can also be more affording to one actor and not the other.
Anyway, I can’t say I’ve seen hard evidence of lifting for Wayne outside of its possible implication. Then again, I guess there are a good number of other actors for whom lifts have been even more strongly assumed without hard visual evidence of lifts necessarily being available.
Re Cooper. Yeah, at least IMO, he was over 6’3” and very similar to James Stewart but I’d give Stewart the slight edge. I personally see Stewart as more like 6’3 1/2”. There’s a few photos available of Wayne and Cooper walking together both in sandals and they appear very much equal. Also earlier in this thread I linked a photo of Wayne and Coop talking at a party and Coop appears clearly taller but perhaps a bit too much taller so a dodgy angle might’ve been in play.
I used to follow boxing a lot more closely and it’s good to hear Bruno is doing okay. I heard it was a mental illness. With head trauma in boxing it’s not always easy to distinguish inherent issues from physical damage caused by boxing. Canadian Iron man George Chuvalo is now experiencing cognitive decline. His son believes it is from boxing. Then again, despite absorbing hits from boxing’s biggest punchers Chuvalo held on to his faculties perfectly until reaching 83 years or so, an age when unfortunately many non pugilists have already started well in on mental decline. Anyway, excuse my waffle. LOL.
@Bruno61
Sure, hard source evidence is always preferable but obviously hard to come by in respect of height confirmation. As such, it often boils down to a healthy sampling of subjective visual assessments and deductive reasoning. In short (excuse pun) as it pertains to The Duke at least, I’ve noted variances in his standing height relative to other actors like Scott, particularly when comparing both in dress shoes vs both cowboy boots, with Wayne appearing to gain a bit more edge in the latter footwear. Of course ground and angles can also be more affording to one actor and not the other.
Anyway, I can’t say I’ve seen hard evidence of lifting for Wayne outside of its possible implication. Then again, I guess there are a good number of other actors for whom lifts have been even more strongly assumed without hard visual evidence of lifts necessarily being available.
Re Cooper. Yeah, at least IMO, he was over 6’3” and very similar to James Stewart but I’d give Stewart the slight edge. I personally see Stewart as more like 6’3 1/2”. There’s a few photos available of Wayne and Cooper walking together both in sandals and they appear very much equal. Also earlier in this thread I linked a photo of Wayne and Coop talking at a party and Coop appears clearly taller but perhaps a bit too much taller so a dodgy angle might’ve been in play.
I used to follow boxing a lot more closely and it’s good to hear Bruno is doing okay. I heard it was a mental illness. With head trauma in boxing it’s not always easy to distinguish inherent issues from physical damage caused by boxing. Canadian Iron man George Chuvalo is now experiencing cognitive decline. His son believes it is from boxing. Then again, despite absorbing hits from boxing’s biggest punchers Chuvalo held on to his faculties perfectly until reaching 83 years or so, an age when unfortunately many non pugilists have already started well in on mental decline. Anyway, excuse my waffle. LOL.
Bruno61 said on 6/Mar/21
For some reason cant post on phone has to be laptop. Sorry about the delay in replying Tall in the saddle.
Can't agree in SOIJ he to me appears as tall, hard to get a good shot in fairness. One where they're fighting might be the best.
Gary Cooper was in a movie with a young Tucker and he looked at least as tall. I remember Tucker was beside a dresser in the movie and then Coop shortly afterwards and he easily matched Tucker. also in any close ups very similar. Coop was defo over 6'3'' peak but that's for another day.
Randy Scott was I would say close to 6'3'', probably less 1' or 2cm under Wayne.
My problem is that there is no photographic evidence to say Wayne ever wore lifts, and if you look at his last public appearance at 79 Oscars he was extremely frail and because was so thin looked very tall. I'd say the 6'3.75'' was his peak height and slightly more in the morning.
No hard feelings from me Tall, btw saw Bruno/Tyson docu and really enjoyed it. Big Frank was a gentle but tormented man but is a lot better now.
For some reason cant post on phone has to be laptop. Sorry about the delay in replying Tall in the saddle.
Can't agree in SOIJ he to me appears as tall, hard to get a good shot in fairness. One where they're fighting might be the best.
Gary Cooper was in a movie with a young Tucker and he looked at least as tall. I remember Tucker was beside a dresser in the movie and then Coop shortly afterwards and he easily matched Tucker. also in any close ups very similar. Coop was defo over 6'3'' peak but that's for another day.
Randy Scott was I would say close to 6'3'', probably less 1' or 2cm under Wayne.
My problem is that there is no photographic evidence to say Wayne ever wore lifts, and if you look at his last public appearance at 79 Oscars he was extremely frail and because was so thin looked very tall. I'd say the 6'3.75'' was his peak height and slightly more in the morning.
No hard feelings from me Tall, btw saw Bruno/Tyson docu and really enjoyed it. Big Frank was a gentle but tormented man but is a lot better now.
Tall In The Saddle said on 27/Feb/21
@Bruno61
Well, with nothing else to offer, you did come barreling in, pontificating and dismissing properly qualified, previously expressed third party opinion as BS.
Having said that, fair call on name calling. 'Twas lighthearted but wrong all the same. Apologies. My add on was abstract, an extension on the theme and having a bit of fun with it.
Anyway, fair examples offered. However, at least IMO, the edge in height see sawed between Stewart and Wayne, including instances in which Stewart wore dress shoes vs Wayne's cowboy boots. In later years, I think Stewart held on to his height better than Wayne. I also think Tucker was clearly taller than Wayne in the SOIJ but somehow appeared even years later in CHISUM which I've already noted as somewhat curious. I do agree with how Wayne appeared to stand relative to Mel Ferrer, at least from what I recollect from the movie BRANNIGAN.
What's your opinion on Randolph Scott's height? Listed here as 6'2 1/4". IMO, Scott stood a lot closer to Wayne than both his and Wayne's CH listings suggest, particularly when in dress shoe roles. IMO, Scott is being shortchanged and stood at least a solid 6'3".
@Bruno61
Well, with nothing else to offer, you did come barreling in, pontificating and dismissing properly qualified, previously expressed third party opinion as BS.
Having said that, fair call on name calling. 'Twas lighthearted but wrong all the same. Apologies. My add on was abstract, an extension on the theme and having a bit of fun with it.
Anyway, fair examples offered. However, at least IMO, the edge in height see sawed between Stewart and Wayne, including instances in which Stewart wore dress shoes vs Wayne's cowboy boots. In later years, I think Stewart held on to his height better than Wayne. I also think Tucker was clearly taller than Wayne in the SOIJ but somehow appeared even years later in CHISUM which I've already noted as somewhat curious. I do agree with how Wayne appeared to stand relative to Mel Ferrer, at least from what I recollect from the movie BRANNIGAN.
What's your opinion on Randolph Scott's height? Listed here as 6'2 1/4". IMO, Scott stood a lot closer to Wayne than both his and Wayne's CH listings suggest, particularly when in dress shoe roles. IMO, Scott is being shortchanged and stood at least a solid 6'3".
Bruno61 said on 26/Feb/21
John Wayne looked similar in height to Forrest Tucker in SOIJ and in Chisum. He lost very little height as he got older. In Brannigan(75) with regular shoes was a bit taller than 6'3'' Mel Ferrer. In the shootist towered over Ron Howard 5'8''and he was barefoot. Swing out sweet land in early 70s Wayne in regular shoes appears taller than Dan Blocker amongst others. Pictured with Jimmy Stewart in the 70s at different events he always looks a bit taller.
Less of the name calling as well please. Bruno61
John Wayne looked similar in height to Forrest Tucker in SOIJ and in Chisum. He lost very little height as he got older. In Brannigan(75) with regular shoes was a bit taller than 6'3'' Mel Ferrer. In the shootist towered over Ron Howard 5'8''and he was barefoot. Swing out sweet land in early 70s Wayne in regular shoes appears taller than Dan Blocker amongst others. Pictured with Jimmy Stewart in the 70s at different events he always looks a bit taller.
Less of the name calling as well please. Bruno61
Tall In The Saddle said on 26/Feb/21
@Chaos
Sure, gotcha.
Of course there’s the famous Bell End Curve that identifies the distribution of societies’ standard deviants. The brainchild of the famous Prof. Richard Helmut who always knew a Bell End whenever he met one.
@Chaos
Sure, gotcha.
Of course there’s the famous Bell End Curve that identifies the distribution of societies’ standard deviants. The brainchild of the famous Prof. Richard Helmut who always knew a Bell End whenever he met one.
Hong said on 25/Feb/21
Click Here @jock,Here's Wayne and Marvin,in that movie Wayne and Marvin had similar footwear,and Wayne looked at all of 6ft3.5 in comparison to the now 6ft1 listed Marvin.
Click Here @jock,Here's Wayne and Marvin,in that movie Wayne and Marvin had similar footwear,and Wayne looked at all of 6ft3.5 in comparison to the now 6ft1 listed Marvin.
Chaos Control 6'2.5 said on 24/Feb/21
@T. I. T. S. it wouldn’t surprise me if he did, he’s definitely an end of a bell if you know what I mean
@T. I. T. S. it wouldn’t surprise me if he did, he’s definitely an end of a bell if you know what I mean
Tall In The Saddle said on 23/Feb/21
@Bruno61
Everything alright there, Frank? You sound a bit punchy. Did you hear a bell ring?
@Bruno61
Everything alright there, Frank? You sound a bit punchy. Did you hear a bell ring?
Bruno61 said on 20/Feb/21
If you have proof point it out if not stop talking BS.
If you have proof point it out if not stop talking BS.
Tall In The Saddle said on 10/Feb/21
I think the apparent anomalies in Wayne's height from one comparison to another can be a possible indicator to as and when required lifting.
As Wayne stood next to Randolph Scott vs how Robert Ryan stood next to Randolph Scott, I think it would be reasonable to relatively calculate Ryan having the clear edge over Wayne. Yet, when Ryan acted opposite Wayne, he appeared more or less equal. Affording heels, angles perhaps, just enough for Wayne to equal or eclipse a fellow tall actor?
In THE SANDS OF IWO JIMA a very young Forrest Tucker had the clear edge on Wayne. Yet, years later in CHISUM 1970, Wayne appeared to be the same height as Tucker. Tucker stood tall into his later years and it would only be Wayne, if anyone, to have suffered any height loss.
I think the apparent anomalies in Wayne's height from one comparison to another can be a possible indicator to as and when required lifting.
As Wayne stood next to Randolph Scott vs how Robert Ryan stood next to Randolph Scott, I think it would be reasonable to relatively calculate Ryan having the clear edge over Wayne. Yet, when Ryan acted opposite Wayne, he appeared more or less equal. Affording heels, angles perhaps, just enough for Wayne to equal or eclipse a fellow tall actor?
In THE SANDS OF IWO JIMA a very young Forrest Tucker had the clear edge on Wayne. Yet, years later in CHISUM 1970, Wayne appeared to be the same height as Tucker. Tucker stood tall into his later years and it would only be Wayne, if anyone, to have suffered any height loss.
jock said on 5/Feb/21
In the film Donavans Reef, there is a scene were Wayne and Lee Marvin climb out of a pool, they then walk side by side towards the bar both waring soft boat shoes, if Marvin is 6 feet 1 inch which most people agree with, clearly Wayne has a good 2 inches over him, watch the scene and judge for yourself,
In the film Donavans Reef, there is a scene were Wayne and Lee Marvin climb out of a pool, they then walk side by side towards the bar both waring soft boat shoes, if Marvin is 6 feet 1 inch which most people agree with, clearly Wayne has a good 2 inches over him, watch the scene and judge for yourself,
Tall In The Saddle said on 30/Jan/21
I do think Wayne availed himself of some extra lift at times but I guess we should be careful not to over shrink the guy.
Suffice to say though, there are still a number of reasonably justified questions surrounding his exact height. The type of questions you don't read being posed in respect of guys like Vincent Price or Howard Keel whose own claims of a solid 6'4" were upheld in virtually all comparisons. The latter guys you can use as reliable yardsticks when estimating the height of other celebrities standing alongside them.
I do think Wayne availed himself of some extra lift at times but I guess we should be careful not to over shrink the guy.
Suffice to say though, there are still a number of reasonably justified questions surrounding his exact height. The type of questions you don't read being posed in respect of guys like Vincent Price or Howard Keel whose own claims of a solid 6'4" were upheld in virtually all comparisons. The latter guys you can use as reliable yardsticks when estimating the height of other celebrities standing alongside them.
Sixseven said on 29/Jan/21
John Wayne was 2cm shorter than 189 cm Gary Cooper.
John Wayne was 2cm shorter than 189 cm Gary Cooper.
LSU alum said on 26/Jan/21
Marathon Man doesn't like Wayne. Probably because of his politics, I've said it before, photos, and video is not good evidence,too many variables that we can't see. Wayne was listed at 6'4" when he played football. He was a very tall man. Marathon Man don't judge peoples height by their politics. I personally like Wayne as an actor. I like an entertainer for their entertaining abilities, not their politics. People need to stop being influenced by entertainers when it come to politics. Look at all the issues, and make up your mind. The world will be better for it.
Marathon Man doesn't like Wayne. Probably because of his politics, I've said it before, photos, and video is not good evidence,too many variables that we can't see. Wayne was listed at 6'4" when he played football. He was a very tall man. Marathon Man don't judge peoples height by their politics. I personally like Wayne as an actor. I like an entertainer for their entertaining abilities, not their politics. People need to stop being influenced by entertainers when it come to politics. Look at all the issues, and make up your mind. The world will be better for it.
Outlaw said on 22/Jan/21
The most irrefutable evidence available that Wayne was over 6'3" is the photo of him barefoot with Ron Howard in The Shootist. I can't find the photo to post, however. Howard was at least 5'8" and in work boots, so 5'9"+. Wayne had at least 5 inches on him and Wayne was around 68 at the time (The Shootist was 1976).
Here is an unrelated photo of Wayne and his wife Pilar: Click Here
Now I don't know how tall Pilar was at the time, but if Wayne were standing straight in this photo, I can see a 13-14 inches of difference.
The most irrefutable evidence available that Wayne was over 6'3" is the photo of him barefoot with Ron Howard in The Shootist. I can't find the photo to post, however. Howard was at least 5'8" and in work boots, so 5'9"+. Wayne had at least 5 inches on him and Wayne was around 68 at the time (The Shootist was 1976).
Here is an unrelated photo of Wayne and his wife Pilar: Click Here
Now I don't know how tall Pilar was at the time, but if Wayne were standing straight in this photo, I can see a 13-14 inches of difference.
Hong said on 20/Jan/21
Click Here Here's John on Rowan and Martins laugh in,the guy beside him is Dan Rowan,he is listed as 6ft2,John looks comfortably 2 inches taller,or maybe a bit more?
Click Here Here's John on Rowan and Martins laugh in,the guy beside him is Dan Rowan,he is listed as 6ft2,John looks comfortably 2 inches taller,or maybe a bit more?
MarathonMan said on 17/Jan/21
No way, Rob. Wayne was never taller than 6'2 - 6'2 1/2...even Rock Hudson, a humble person and actor who never cared about his height much (he had no problem saying he was one inch shorter when he got older - something that the Wayne NEVER would do) said Wayne wore lifts all the time. You can see it when Wayne and Hudson stood next to each other - Hudson seemed 3 inches taller. Wayne, 6'4'' at his peak? pffff...ludicrous. Wayne at his peak 6'2 1/2 tops; when he got older 6 1 1/2''...oh yeah, and the great american hero STILL wore lifts when he got older UNLIKE Jimmy Stewart. Stop the nonsense.
Editor Rob
No way, Rob. Wayne was never taller than 6'2 - 6'2 1/2...even Rock Hudson, a humble person and actor who never cared about his height much (he had no problem saying he was one inch shorter when he got older - something that the Wayne NEVER would do) said Wayne wore lifts all the time. You can see it when Wayne and Hudson stood next to each other - Hudson seemed 3 inches taller. Wayne, 6'4'' at his peak? pffff...ludicrous. Wayne at his peak 6'2 1/2 tops; when he got older 6 1 1/2''...oh yeah, and the great american hero STILL wore lifts when he got older UNLIKE Jimmy Stewart. Stop the nonsense.
Editor Robmaybe Wayne lost height in his late 40's.
Hong said on 9/Jan/21
Click Here John doesn't look so tall next to Nixon inthis pic,it's from 1972 Wayne was 65 and Nixon 59 I think?
Click Here John doesn't look so tall next to Nixon inthis pic,it's from 1972 Wayne was 65 and Nixon 59 I think?
Hong said on 9/Jan/21
Click Here In this one Wayne looks much taller than Nixon,compared to the previous pic.
Click Here In this one Wayne looks much taller than Nixon,compared to the previous pic.
Hong said on 9/Jan/21
Click Here Here's Wayne with Richard Nixon,he doesn't look as impressive in height and build there.
Click Here Here's Wayne with Richard Nixon,he doesn't look as impressive in height and build there.
strawberry Jerry said on 6/Jan/21
Wayne was a bit shorter than Gary Cooper whom I believe was 6'3.25-6'3.5. Judging from what I've seen he might have been 6'2.5 barefoot, at times 6'2.25 minimum- 6'2.75 maximum.
Wayne was a bit shorter than Gary Cooper whom I believe was 6'3.25-6'3.5. Judging from what I've seen he might have been 6'2.5 barefoot, at times 6'2.25 minimum- 6'2.75 maximum.
Tall In The Saddle said on 3/Jan/21
IMO, like Eastwood, Wayne's exact height is a bit difficult to nail. Both clearly tall but specifically how tall? Wayne is that bit more problematic given the popular suggestion that he wore lifts. So, even when the Duke appears to be standing a good 6'4", one might still wonder if it is due to enhancing footwear.
I guess if one genuinely stands 6'4" there shouldn't be too many instances, if any at all, to suggest they perhaps stood less than same. IMO, there are a reasonable number of instances to suggest Wayne was perhaps at least 1/2 inch below that height. Wayne appeared with a fellow golden era actor, 6'4" listed John Carroll, in THE FLYING TIGERS 1942. Wayne was about 35 yo so full peak assumed. Here's the trailer for the movie and I think there's sufficient vision to indicate that, overall, Carroll clearly edged Wayne.
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IMO, like Eastwood, Wayne's exact height is a bit difficult to nail. Both clearly tall but specifically how tall? Wayne is that bit more problematic given the popular suggestion that he wore lifts. So, even when the Duke appears to be standing a good 6'4", one might still wonder if it is due to enhancing footwear.
I guess if one genuinely stands 6'4" there shouldn't be too many instances, if any at all, to suggest they perhaps stood less than same. IMO, there are a reasonable number of instances to suggest Wayne was perhaps at least 1/2 inch below that height. Wayne appeared with a fellow golden era actor, 6'4" listed John Carroll, in THE FLYING TIGERS 1942. Wayne was about 35 yo so full peak assumed. Here's the trailer for the movie and I think there's sufficient vision to indicate that, overall, Carroll clearly edged Wayne.
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Lins 5'11.25 said on 2/Jan/21
At 1:29 minutes of the interview, John Wayne claims to be 6'4 Click Here
At 1:29 minutes of the interview, John Wayne claims to be 6'4 Click Here
Ian C. said on 2/Jan/21
Good picture, Georg, and the first real evidence I've seen that Wayne exaggerated his height. He's wearing a cowboy costume in the picture too, which suggests that he was wearing cowboy boots.
I am certain that Max Baer Jr. was six foot four, because he always seemed about an inch taller than Buddy Ebsen, who claimed six foot three. So Wayne might have been as low as six foot two in the early sixties.
Good picture, Georg, and the first real evidence I've seen that Wayne exaggerated his height. He's wearing a cowboy costume in the picture too, which suggests that he was wearing cowboy boots.
I am certain that Max Baer Jr. was six foot four, because he always seemed about an inch taller than Buddy Ebsen, who claimed six foot three. So Wayne might have been as low as six foot two in the early sixties.
Tall In The Saddle said on 30/Dec/20
@Georg
Great photo. Both Baer Snr and Wayne aren’t standing fully straight and Wayne is a bit in the background but still worthy for some comparison. The shoulders on Baer Snr are unreal. Of course that’s Barr’s son Max Jr aka Jethro Bodine on the right standing pretty straight. Max Jr was a solid 6’4” himself.
@Georg
Great photo. Both Baer Snr and Wayne aren’t standing fully straight and Wayne is a bit in the background but still worthy for some comparison. The shoulders on Baer Snr are unreal. Of course that’s Barr’s son Max Jr aka Jethro Bodine on the right standing pretty straight. Max Jr was a solid 6’4” himself.
Soda machine said on 30/Dec/20
6-3 peak weak.
6-3 peak weak.
Tall In The Saddle said on 29/Dec/20
Actually, the question of Wayne's lung removal gave me cause to look it up. It seems that the conventional approach was an angled incision going from the front, underneath the middle of the chest around to the back. In Wayne's case, it was reported that the tumor was of such size that it was more suitable for them to cut through the back only, thus no scarring visible in the said photo.
Actually, the question of Wayne's lung removal gave me cause to look it up. It seems that the conventional approach was an angled incision going from the front, underneath the middle of the chest around to the back. In Wayne's case, it was reported that the tumor was of such size that it was more suitable for them to cut through the back only, thus no scarring visible in the said photo.
Georg Altvater said on 28/Dec/20
On this photo, John Wayne is standing very close to Max Baer, former Heavy Weight Champion, who is listed with 6ft 2 1⁄2 in (1.89 m). Wayne looks not taller.
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My opinion: Wayne was a tall man in this times, but he was "Big John Wayne" and he worked with shoe lifts. There is a photo with Gary Cooper, both with flat sandals - I think Cooper looks a little bit taller and another photo shows him with Gregory Peck, in a movie-pause. P.
giving him a light .... may be Peck looks 1 cm taller. But this is my opinion and you can make look people taller and smaller with camera-sights. Photos are often lying.
On this photo, John Wayne is standing very close to Max Baer, former Heavy Weight Champion, who is listed with 6ft 2 1⁄2 in (1.89 m). Wayne looks not taller.
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My opinion: Wayne was a tall man in this times, but he was "Big John Wayne" and he worked with shoe lifts. There is a photo with Gary Cooper, both with flat sandals - I think Cooper looks a little bit taller and another photo shows him with Gregory Peck, in a movie-pause. P.
giving him a light .... may be Peck looks 1 cm taller. But this is my opinion and you can make look people taller and smaller with camera-sights. Photos are often lying.
Ian C. said on 26/Dec/20
Well, this is embarrassing. When a lung is removed, he surgeons go in through the back. You can't go in through the front because the heart and all the vessels leading to and away from it are in the way. When a lung is removed, the patient loses a few ribs in the operation.
So my little theory that Wayne exaggerated the severity of his condition was kinda dumb. Sometimes I exhibit more imagination than is strictly congruent with objective reality, and this has been one of those times.
Well, this is embarrassing. When a lung is removed, he surgeons go in through the back. You can't go in through the front because the heart and all the vessels leading to and away from it are in the way. When a lung is removed, the patient loses a few ribs in the operation.
So my little theory that Wayne exaggerated the severity of his condition was kinda dumb. Sometimes I exhibit more imagination than is strictly congruent with objective reality, and this has been one of those times.
Ian C. said on 25/Dec/20
Here's an interesting mystery. There is a picture of John Wayne, ostensibly taken in 1969, standing with his shirt off on the set of the movie The Undefeated. Wayne was said to have had a cancerous lung and several ribs surgically removed in 1964. In the shirtless picture, there are no scars on his bare chest. How could that be?
Possible explanations: The photo is a fake. Except that it looks pretty real, and Wayne's body in it looks pretty much like you would have expected it to look after seeing him with his shirt on. Or, when the lung and ribs were removed, the surgeons took them out through an incision in Wayne's back. That would seem unlikely, as they'd have had to cut through a lot more flesh, and would have destroyed muscles Wayne would have needed to use his arms. Also, I've never heard of anyone getting heart surgery except through the front of the chest, so no one would get lung surgery except through the front.
Or maybe Wayne's story about the lung removal was fiction. Wayne made one movie in 1964 (Circus World, which was a flop), and three in 1965. If he really did have a lung removed, he had remarkable powers of recuperation for a man in his early 60s. So I suspect that the lung cancer surgery story was a fake.
Here's an interesting mystery. There is a picture of John Wayne, ostensibly taken in 1969, standing with his shirt off on the set of the movie The Undefeated. Wayne was said to have had a cancerous lung and several ribs surgically removed in 1964. In the shirtless picture, there are no scars on his bare chest. How could that be?
Possible explanations: The photo is a fake. Except that it looks pretty real, and Wayne's body in it looks pretty much like you would have expected it to look after seeing him with his shirt on. Or, when the lung and ribs were removed, the surgeons took them out through an incision in Wayne's back. That would seem unlikely, as they'd have had to cut through a lot more flesh, and would have destroyed muscles Wayne would have needed to use his arms. Also, I've never heard of anyone getting heart surgery except through the front of the chest, so no one would get lung surgery except through the front.
Or maybe Wayne's story about the lung removal was fiction. Wayne made one movie in 1964 (Circus World, which was a flop), and three in 1965. If he really did have a lung removed, he had remarkable powers of recuperation for a man in his early 60s. So I suspect that the lung cancer surgery story was a fake.
Height_Guesser said on 23/Dec/20
Wayne was 6’ 3.5” peak but in his final years he was 6’ 2.5”.
Wayne was 6’ 3.5” peak but in his final years he was 6’ 2.5”.
meezemaker said on 21/Dec/20
No way that tall.
He was same height than Lee Marvin...6'2
+ boot and lift...
Just watch the movie: the man who shot liberty valance...
No way that tall.
He was same height than Lee Marvin...6'2
+ boot and lift...
Just watch the movie: the man who shot liberty valance...
newbie said on 14/Dec/20
It is difficult to judge his height when people use film examples where he spends the entire shot leaning or slouched. Not sure what we’re supposed to judge from those. Still for me the best image I’ve seen is of a clearly bare foot Wayne with Ron Howard (wearing boots) with door frame and wall as a visible comparison guide, which gives a much better idea of just how much taller and elderly Wayne is. For him to be 6’1 like some want to claim he’d have been the only person gaining height in old age.
It is difficult to judge his height when people use film examples where he spends the entire shot leaning or slouched. Not sure what we’re supposed to judge from those. Still for me the best image I’ve seen is of a clearly bare foot Wayne with Ron Howard (wearing boots) with door frame and wall as a visible comparison guide, which gives a much better idea of just how much taller and elderly Wayne is. For him to be 6’1 like some want to claim he’d have been the only person gaining height in old age.
Vincent Caleb said on 2/Nov/20
My favorite actor of all time other than Eastwood and Morgan Freeman. I’m not sure about 3/4 over 6-3, but he could be 191 cm peak like Clint.
My favorite actor of all time other than Eastwood and Morgan Freeman. I’m not sure about 3/4 over 6-3, but he could be 191 cm peak like Clint.
Hong said on 21/Oct/20
Click Here Here's a clip from The Big Trail,Wayne is 23 years old,he is wearing flat shoes and looks not so tall as later in his career.
Click Here Here's a clip from The Big Trail,Wayne is 23 years old,he is wearing flat shoes and looks not so tall as later in his career.
Bobadob said on 18/Oct/20
6-3 peak imo
6-3 peak imo
Tall In The Saddle said on 16/Oct/20
Yes, it's the early 30s films that raise questions. Was Wayne simply surrounded by a lot of tall fellow actors back in the day OR did he lift a bit when his star began to rise? As I've noted before, in dress shoes, Wayne barely rocked any advantage over Randolph Scott but in westerns, though both in cowboy boots, Wayne appeared to grow that bit taller, suggesting not all cowboy boots are equal, particularly if you're the star.
Yes, it's the early 30s films that raise questions. Was Wayne simply surrounded by a lot of tall fellow actors back in the day OR did he lift a bit when his star began to rise? As I've noted before, in dress shoes, Wayne barely rocked any advantage over Randolph Scott but in westerns, though both in cowboy boots, Wayne appeared to grow that bit taller, suggesting not all cowboy boots are equal, particularly if you're the star.
Arch Stanton said on 15/Oct/20
Yes I observed that a long time ago. Wayne oddly looked no more than 6'2.5 in those early 30s films. But later on in terms of body frame he really had the frame of a guy around 6'4. I do think he often wore lifts in his cowboy boots to accentuate his height further, he could make Dean Martin look Rob's height at times! His boots did have that "Stuffed" look about them when he walked in a lot of those westerns, I don't think his "walk" was a cooincidence.
Yes I observed that a long time ago. Wayne oddly looked no more than 6'2.5 in those early 30s films. But later on in terms of body frame he really had the frame of a guy around 6'4. I do think he often wore lifts in his cowboy boots to accentuate his height further, he could make Dean Martin look Rob's height at times! His boots did have that "Stuffed" look about them when he walked in a lot of those westerns, I don't think his "walk" was a cooincidence.
FrankR1 said on 23/Sep/20
The only reason that John Wayne would ever wear "lifts" is to play the role of a freak like Frankenstein. Years ago, several websites listed Wayne's height as 6'5" and he looked all of 6'5" on screen in various roles. Now, many sites have him listed at 6'3.75, which seems more like his height from 50+years old than his peak height.
The only reason that John Wayne would ever wear "lifts" is to play the role of a freak like Frankenstein. Years ago, several websites listed Wayne's height as 6'5" and he looked all of 6'5" on screen in various roles. Now, many sites have him listed at 6'3.75, which seems more like his height from 50+years old than his peak height.
Tall In The Saddle said on 7/Sep/20
I used to treat the claim that Wayne wore lifts as a straight up Urban Myth and certainly there was no shortage of same in Hollywood.
BUT, Wayne's old early 30's films really do raise some questions. He simply does not appear to stand as tall as he did later in his career, when fame truly came his way. The "walk" he developed curiously manifested later also and, even if by coincidence, it did appear to reflect someone walking in excessive heels. Wayne's height advantage appeared most prominent when in cowboy garb, all important boots included. In non western films, in dress shoes, Wayne appeared to lose that "edge" in height. Certainly, as compared to the same actor (viz Randolph Scott) in both western and non western roles, Wayne's advantage notably decreased when he moved from cowboy boots to dress shoes. Informally, off set, Wayne did not stand as tall as one would've guessed from his apparent stature on screen. And then there are all the comments by fellow celebs re: lifts to be getting on with...obviously some tongue in cheek in terms of exaggeration but possibly based on a measure of truth.
I used to treat the claim that Wayne wore lifts as a straight up Urban Myth and certainly there was no shortage of same in Hollywood.
BUT, Wayne's old early 30's films really do raise some questions. He simply does not appear to stand as tall as he did later in his career, when fame truly came his way. The "walk" he developed curiously manifested later also and, even if by coincidence, it did appear to reflect someone walking in excessive heels. Wayne's height advantage appeared most prominent when in cowboy garb, all important boots included. In non western films, in dress shoes, Wayne appeared to lose that "edge" in height. Certainly, as compared to the same actor (viz Randolph Scott) in both western and non western roles, Wayne's advantage notably decreased when he moved from cowboy boots to dress shoes. Informally, off set, Wayne did not stand as tall as one would've guessed from his apparent stature on screen. And then there are all the comments by fellow celebs re: lifts to be getting on with...obviously some tongue in cheek in terms of exaggeration but possibly based on a measure of truth.
itsmoe!!! said on 5/Sep/20
John Wayne standing next to 6'2 Harry Woods in 1931's Range Feud. The ground is slightly uneven, but Woods and Wayne look similar in height.
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John Wayne standing next to 6'2 Harry Woods in 1931's Range Feud. The ground is slightly uneven, but Woods and Wayne look similar in height.
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itsmoe!!! said on 5/Sep/20
John Wayne standing next to 6'1 Tyrone Power Sr. in The Big Trail.
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There are several 6'1 actors in this movie that look almost as tall as Wayne. Look at The Life Of Jimmy Dolan from 1933, where Douglas Fairbanks Jr. looks almost as tall as Wayne, and we notice a pattern. Wayne looked 6'2 before his stardom break in STAGECOACH. Then as his stardom grew...so did his height.
John Wayne standing next to 6'1 Tyrone Power Sr. in The Big Trail.
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There are several 6'1 actors in this movie that look almost as tall as Wayne. Look at The Life Of Jimmy Dolan from 1933, where Douglas Fairbanks Jr. looks almost as tall as Wayne, and we notice a pattern. Wayne looked 6'2 before his stardom break in STAGECOACH. Then as his stardom grew...so did his height.
Matt6'5 said on 21/Aug/20
Not gonna lie, there is something psychological about being even taller. I generally wear flat chucks (Chuck Taylor canvas sneakers) to not draw attention to myself. My wife bought me some dress boots which add at least 1.5ins. It’s crazy but fun to be that much bigger!
Not gonna lie, there is something psychological about being even taller. I generally wear flat chucks (Chuck Taylor canvas sneakers) to not draw attention to myself. My wife bought me some dress boots which add at least 1.5ins. It’s crazy but fun to be that much bigger!
Sinclair said on 17/Aug/20
6’3.75” seems a reasonable listing for Wayne’s peak. Rock Hudson seemed to have about an inch on Wayne in The Undefeated. I recall Wayne had a slight edge on James Stewart in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance and I suspect a peak George Kennedy was just a tad taller than a peak John Wayne.
6’3.75” seems a reasonable listing for Wayne’s peak. Rock Hudson seemed to have about an inch on Wayne in The Undefeated. I recall Wayne had a slight edge on James Stewart in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance and I suspect a peak George Kennedy was just a tad taller than a peak John Wayne.
Lankyweasel635 said on 16/Aug/20
That old "Servicio de Migracion" to Mexico of John Wayne's from 1948 showing his height or stature as"Estatura:1.88m" which is 6ft 2in is quite the surprise.
Maybe he shrank from his army listed 6ft 3.75in measurement down to 6ft 2in by 1948 and either didn't pay attention to what was recorded, didn't know the metric to imperial conversion, or just kept saying 6ft 4in out of habit.
That old "Servicio de Migracion" to Mexico of John Wayne's from 1948 showing his height or stature as"Estatura:1.88m" which is 6ft 2in is quite the surprise.
Maybe he shrank from his army listed 6ft 3.75in measurement down to 6ft 2in by 1948 and either didn't pay attention to what was recorded, didn't know the metric to imperial conversion, or just kept saying 6ft 4in out of habit.
Jug said on 6/Aug/20
I would say slightly under 6'4, probably a strong 6'3. A big-framed 6'3 could look 6'5 to the casual observer. Next to Gary Cooper he looked about the same height--6'3. It was well known that he wore lifts in his boots. A lot of taller guys will wear lifts to appear truly massive. Maybe he got used to being very, very tall with lifts so he continued wearing them.
I would say slightly under 6'4, probably a strong 6'3. A big-framed 6'3 could look 6'5 to the casual observer. Next to Gary Cooper he looked about the same height--6'3. It was well known that he wore lifts in his boots. A lot of taller guys will wear lifts to appear truly massive. Maybe he got used to being very, very tall with lifts so he continued wearing them.
Chris Mitchell said on 16/Jul/20
My grandfather could've been his twin and was the essential role model for masculinity
My grandfather could've been his twin and was the essential role model for masculinity
Arch Stanton said on 14/Jul/20
I see they're taking down a Wayne display because of what he said about blacks. They'll be renaming the Los Angeles airport soon mark my words!! What he said was disgusting about blacks not being responsible (Woody Strode was certainly dozens of times more responsible than he ever was with health for instance) but you can't underestimate the impact of general societal beliefs and environment in which you grew up in. Lincoln if he'd lived hundred and thirty years later would never have said what he did either. Times change. Even what was acceptable to say in the 90s and early 2000s you can't say today. I couldn't give a rat's ass about colour or race, but it's getting stupid, every advert I see it has a white person, a black person, a Chinese person etc, you can just tell that "we need to cast a black person" is a major component of advertising or filming nowadays.
I see they're taking down a Wayne display because of what he said about blacks. They'll be renaming the Los Angeles airport soon mark my words!! What he said was disgusting about blacks not being responsible (Woody Strode was certainly dozens of times more responsible than he ever was with health for instance) but you can't underestimate the impact of general societal beliefs and environment in which you grew up in. Lincoln if he'd lived hundred and thirty years later would never have said what he did either. Times change. Even what was acceptable to say in the 90s and early 2000s you can't say today. I couldn't give a rat's ass about colour or race, but it's getting stupid, every advert I see it has a white person, a black person, a Chinese person etc, you can just tell that "we need to cast a black person" is a major component of advertising or filming nowadays.
strahberry Jerry said on 12/Jun/20
yeah, someone would've needed to stand on a box...dibs on a strawberry one!.L.O.L
yeah, someone would've needed to stand on a box...dibs on a strawberry one!.L.O.L
Nik Ashton said on 9/Jun/20
@ Sandy Cowell - There are a lot of strawberries, berries, Nik’s, and dogs, and James’s, on celebheights!
Just about everyone would have needed to be on an apple box if they were to be filmed with John Wayne!
@ Sandy Cowell - There are a lot of strawberries, berries, Nik’s, and dogs, and James’s, on celebheights!
Just about everyone would have needed to be on an apple box if they were to be filmed with John Wayne!
Miss Sandy Cowell said on 9/Jun/20
@ strahberry Jerry - I'm getting the distinct smell of strawberries when I visit this website!
👃🍓🍓🍓🍓🍓🍓🍓 😃"Mmmmmmm!"
@ strahberry Jerry - I'm getting the distinct smell of strawberries when I visit this website!
👃🍓🍓🍓🍓🍓🍓🍓 😃"Mmmmmmm!"
strahberry Jerry said on 7/Jun/20
I agree with you Andrew, Arness seemed to have 2.5 -3 inches on Wayne. It's hard to pinpoint or estimate Arness's real height though, it's possible he was a bit over 6'6, 6'6.25-6'6.5, most likely. I don't know for sure if Wayne resorted to wearing lifts in those movies featuring him and Arness. I think Stewart edged Wayne out. Stewart was no less than 6'3.25.
I agree with you Andrew, Arness seemed to have 2.5 -3 inches on Wayne. It's hard to pinpoint or estimate Arness's real height though, it's possible he was a bit over 6'6, 6'6.25-6'6.5, most likely. I don't know for sure if Wayne resorted to wearing lifts in those movies featuring him and Arness. I think Stewart edged Wayne out. Stewart was no less than 6'3.25.
Andrew Melese said on 4/Jun/20
Rob, in the two films he did with James Arness, there are many shots of them standing side-by-side. To me, Wayne looks 2.5-3 inches shy of Arness. Wasn't Arness 6'7"? If so, It seems to me Wayne may have even been a full 6'4" if not maybe 1/2 cm over at his peak.
On the other hand, he looks shorter than James Stewart in the Shootest, sugggesting he shrank considerably between 1953 (when Wayne and Arness did Hondo) - and 1976; which would also seem reasonable given his multiple cancer episodes.In the Scott Eyman biography,he Eyman also cites people who noticed him shrinking during the 1970s.
Anyway, if he shrank say 2 inches (not that much for an old, lean-framed, very tall man), I would think his starting point prior to shrinking may have been 6'4" 1/5 at most; Perhaps .3 inches anoce the OSS listing.
In The Quiet Man, he also appears at least 3/4 inch taller than the large, irish fellow, and at times ovet an inch taller.
What do you reckon Rob? Is it possible he could have been a full 6'4" or slightly above at during his prime?
Rob, in the two films he did with James Arness, there are many shots of them standing side-by-side. To me, Wayne looks 2.5-3 inches shy of Arness. Wasn't Arness 6'7"? If so, It seems to me Wayne may have even been a full 6'4" if not maybe 1/2 cm over at his peak.
On the other hand, he looks shorter than James Stewart in the Shootest, sugggesting he shrank considerably between 1953 (when Wayne and Arness did Hondo) - and 1976; which would also seem reasonable given his multiple cancer episodes.In the Scott Eyman biography,he Eyman also cites people who noticed him shrinking during the 1970s.
Anyway, if he shrank say 2 inches (not that much for an old, lean-framed, very tall man), I would think his starting point prior to shrinking may have been 6'4" 1/5 at most; Perhaps .3 inches anoce the OSS listing.
In The Quiet Man, he also appears at least 3/4 inch taller than the large, irish fellow, and at times ovet an inch taller.
What do you reckon Rob? Is it possible he could have been a full 6'4" or slightly above at during his prime?
Tall In The Saddle said on 29/May/20
@Georg Altvater
Great info. Wayne listed as 188 cm/6'2" on an official document. Very interesting. If Wayne was only 6'2", he certainly stood notably taller than that in his better known films as a major star. IMO, he looked about 6'3.5" at best, quite an uplift for an actual 6'2" guy.
@Georg Altvater
Great info. Wayne listed as 188 cm/6'2" on an official document. Very interesting. If Wayne was only 6'2", he certainly stood notably taller than that in his better known films as a major star. IMO, he looked about 6'3.5" at best, quite an uplift for an actual 6'2" guy.
marcus said on 29/May/20
Just watched a video on the Wild Goose. Duke's Captain, who started as a deckhand/carpenter, when Duke bought the boat in 1963. He said they had to raise the ceiling height in the cabins to 6'8" to accommodate Duke's 6'4.5" height.
Just watched a video on the Wild Goose. Duke's Captain, who started as a deckhand/carpenter, when Duke bought the boat in 1963. He said they had to raise the ceiling height in the cabins to 6'8" to accommodate Duke's 6'4.5" height.
Miss Sandy Cowell said on 28/May/20
Doesn't he look sweet and innocent in this picture, Rob? 😁👍
Editor Rob
Doesn't he look sweet and innocent in this picture, Rob? 😁👍
Editor RobIn his early 20's he was an Innocent looking guy
weak 5'8 said on 28/May/20
At 5 foot 8 or something, it's understandable if you wear lifts. I don't think he wore lifts to appear taller. I think he wore them for better posture and to appear much slimmer after he had put on weight. Do you agree Rob?
Editor Rob
At 5 foot 8 or something, it's understandable if you wear lifts. I don't think he wore lifts to appear taller. I think he wore them for better posture and to appear much slimmer after he had put on weight. Do you agree Rob?
Editor RobWhether Wayne really wore lifts in his boots or if it was unsubstantiated rumours that grew legs is up for debate.
There's no smoke without fire right 😏
There's no smoke without fire right 😏
Georg Altvater said on 27/May/20
I found an old "Servicio de Migracion" to Mexico by John Wayne from 1948. You see Estatura: 1,88m - that's 6 feet 2 inches. 1948 was early and at that time size wasn't so important to him. I sometimes suspected he was only 6'2''. Yes, he was a big man, but he always wanted to look like a 6'7''giant. In this times you had had some other very tall man in Hollywood like James Stewart, Gary Cooper, Gregory Peck (today we have Tom Cruise, Sylvester Stallone etc.) who look in reality a little bit taller than him. Maybe that explains his lifts.
Your can find the Servicio de Migracion here (at the end):
Click Here
I found an old "Servicio de Migracion" to Mexico by John Wayne from 1948. You see Estatura: 1,88m - that's 6 feet 2 inches. 1948 was early and at that time size wasn't so important to him. I sometimes suspected he was only 6'2''. Yes, he was a big man, but he always wanted to look like a 6'7''giant. In this times you had had some other very tall man in Hollywood like James Stewart, Gary Cooper, Gregory Peck (today we have Tom Cruise, Sylvester Stallone etc.) who look in reality a little bit taller than him. Maybe that explains his lifts.
Your can find the Servicio de Migracion here (at the end):
Click Here
Tall Sam said on 26/May/20
Wayne did look pretty short in The Big Trail (maybe 6'2"-6'3") I do recall, especially compared to around middle age in Rio Bravo and subsequent films where I feel he may have started wearing some sort of lift. I don't think there's a lot of known actors in Big Trail. I'm sure theres a some difference in the way they film male actors once they're movie stars more favorably in various ways, including making them seem taller in frame. I'm not convinced that Wayne was actually under 6'3.5" despite that film.
Wayne did look pretty short in The Big Trail (maybe 6'2"-6'3") I do recall, especially compared to around middle age in Rio Bravo and subsequent films where I feel he may have started wearing some sort of lift. I don't think there's a lot of known actors in Big Trail. I'm sure theres a some difference in the way they film male actors once they're movie stars more favorably in various ways, including making them seem taller in frame. I'm not convinced that Wayne was actually under 6'3.5" despite that film.
Miss Sandy Cowell said on 26/May/20
John Wayne was born 113 years ago today. I remember when he died suddenly back in
'79; the world wasn't ready to lose him. He was 72 years, 2 weeks and 2 days old.
6ft3.75.
RIP John Wayne 🕯️
John Wayne was born 113 years ago today. I remember when he died suddenly back in
'79; the world wasn't ready to lose him. He was 72 years, 2 weeks and 2 days old.
6ft3.75.
RIP John Wayne 🕯️
Tall In The Saddle said on 24/May/20
@Arch
It’s hard to estimate height for guys who wore big heels almost always like Walker. Pretty sure Walker had some heel advantage over Price. A much older Walker in some reasonable heel looked up to 1” shorter than Selleck. There is also a pic of older Walker standing alongside Ron Ely and Clint is shorter by up to a couple of inches. Hudson didn’t wear heel so much unless the role specifically demanded it. People have compares how Hudson stood relative to Jack Benny as compared to Walker but again Clint was in western garb including heel whereas Hudson wore dress shoes. On appearance think Hudson’s sheer height was more often accurately presented than Walkers.
@Arch
It’s hard to estimate height for guys who wore big heels almost always like Walker. Pretty sure Walker had some heel advantage over Price. A much older Walker in some reasonable heel looked up to 1” shorter than Selleck. There is also a pic of older Walker standing alongside Ron Ely and Clint is shorter by up to a couple of inches. Hudson didn’t wear heel so much unless the role specifically demanded it. People have compares how Hudson stood relative to Jack Benny as compared to Walker but again Clint was in western garb including heel whereas Hudson wore dress shoes. On appearance think Hudson’s sheer height was more often accurately presented than Walkers.
strahberry Jerry said on 23/May/20
Yup, The BIG Trail, I've watched it, Wayne was 22-23 , very young , he appeared to be shorter than in subsequent films. It's also very true some people don't stop growing until they are 26, that would explain why he didn't look as tall as usual, aside from the mocassins of course.Truth be told in Big Jim McLain he looked close to 6'4, I don't know, actors may appear taller in some movies.
Yup, The BIG Trail, I've watched it, Wayne was 22-23 , very young , he appeared to be shorter than in subsequent films. It's also very true some people don't stop growing until they are 26, that would explain why he didn't look as tall as usual, aside from the mocassins of course.Truth be told in Big Jim McLain he looked close to 6'4, I don't know, actors may appear taller in some movies.
Arch Stanton said on 21/May/20
6.3.5 would have been the minimum Rock could have possibly claimed for anybody to believe it. 6'5 would have been a dreadful height on a form for an actor looking for leading man romantic roles. I've seen virtually all Wayne's films with the exception of some of the lost silents and early 30s ones. Just when you're dubious of him being near a real 6'4 he'll clearly look it but there are still doubts. Have you seen The Big Trail Jerry? Wearing mocassins in that I thought he looked as low as 6'2 range in that film.
6.3.5 would have been the minimum Rock could have possibly claimed for anybody to believe it. 6'5 would have been a dreadful height on a form for an actor looking for leading man romantic roles. I've seen virtually all Wayne's films with the exception of some of the lost silents and early 30s ones. Just when you're dubious of him being near a real 6'4 he'll clearly look it but there are still doubts. Have you seen The Big Trail Jerry? Wearing mocassins in that I thought he looked as low as 6'2 range in that film.
strahberry Jerry said on 19/May/20
Yeah, I accept it, at least in Horizons West Hudson looked 6'4.5 next to a slouching Arness, and 1.5-2" taller than Wayne in THE Undefeated where, according to his claims, he was more like 6'4, that's the reason why I think Wayne was hovering around the 6'2.75 measurement in his prime and 6'2-2.5 in The Undefeated. Wayne's boots would enhance his frame quite a bit. Definitely a big man.
Yeah, I accept it, at least in Horizons West Hudson looked 6'4.5 next to a slouching Arness, and 1.5-2" taller than Wayne in THE Undefeated where, according to his claims, he was more like 6'4, that's the reason why I think Wayne was hovering around the 6'2.75 measurement in his prime and 6'2-2.5 in The Undefeated. Wayne's boots would enhance his frame quite a bit. Definitely a big man.
Arch Stanton said on 16/May/20
Sorry, there's absolutely no chance Rock Hudson was only 6'3.5. Watch any of his 50s films, particularly Giant.
Sorry, there's absolutely no chance Rock Hudson was only 6'3.5. Watch any of his 50s films, particularly Giant.
Arch Stanton said on 16/May/20
Tall In The Saddle said on 28/Apr/20
I also subscribe to the belief that Clint Walker was possibly more in the realm of 6'5" or a bit over. Early in his career, he was actually described as 6'4.5" and Clint always wore big heeled boots.
Clint Walker had an easy 2 inches on Vincent Price who without the shadow of a doubt looked a legit 6'4 man in his prime. Rock Hudson you could argue 6'4 range but Clint Walker the worst you could argue I think is 196cm. He just looked too big to be anything under that.
Tall In The Saddle said on 28/Apr/20
I also subscribe to the belief that Clint Walker was possibly more in the realm of 6'5" or a bit over. Early in his career, he was actually described as 6'4.5" and Clint always wore big heeled boots.
Clint Walker had an easy 2 inches on Vincent Price who without the shadow of a doubt looked a legit 6'4 man in his prime. Rock Hudson you could argue 6'4 range but Clint Walker the worst you could argue I think is 196cm. He just looked too big to be anything under that.
Tall In The Saddle said on 28/Apr/20
Quite a few celebrity height estimates have been made, in large measure, relative to John Wayne's assumed height of 6'4" or near enough to. This includes Tucker, Cooper, Stewart and Scott to name a few. Additionally, it seems these estimates have been made more from illusory movie scenes and less so from informal photos which aren't so contrived or carefully framed.
I don't know that I can move The Duke all the way down to 6'2.5" or even 6'2.75" but it's possible I suppose. On the flip side, if Wayne was moved down to 6'3" or even a bit below it would better support current CH listings for the actors referenced above. As it stands, if Wayne was actually more or less 6'4", then I would say the above actors are underlisted. I linked the following photo on Gary Cooper's page, but it is conversely relevant here also has it includes Wayne. It's an informal photo in which Cooper appears clearly taller - Click Here
I also subscribe to the belief that Clint Walker was possibly more in the realm of 6'5" or a bit over. Early in his career, he was actually described as 6'4.5" and Clint always wore big heeled boots. I don't necessarily agree that Hudson was dropping 1.5" to Walker in SEND ME NOW FLOWERS. Clint's character was intended as the bigger guy, and again, Clint is wearing some significant heel. In the one scene that they can be compared, Clint is standing on higher ground. Hudson moves closer for a moment and straightens himself up and IMO, in that moment, gains a lot back in the height diff. but remember Clint still has the heel advantage and slightly higher ground.
As much as I have seen of Hudson so far, I wouldn't go less than 6'4.5" nor discount a full 6'5". Also, I thought Wayne was dropping a bit more than 1" to Hudson anyway, and who knows Wayne might've had heel advantage at any rate.
Quite a few celebrity height estimates have been made, in large measure, relative to John Wayne's assumed height of 6'4" or near enough to. This includes Tucker, Cooper, Stewart and Scott to name a few. Additionally, it seems these estimates have been made more from illusory movie scenes and less so from informal photos which aren't so contrived or carefully framed.
I don't know that I can move The Duke all the way down to 6'2.5" or even 6'2.75" but it's possible I suppose. On the flip side, if Wayne was moved down to 6'3" or even a bit below it would better support current CH listings for the actors referenced above. As it stands, if Wayne was actually more or less 6'4", then I would say the above actors are underlisted. I linked the following photo on Gary Cooper's page, but it is conversely relevant here also has it includes Wayne. It's an informal photo in which Cooper appears clearly taller - Click Here
I also subscribe to the belief that Clint Walker was possibly more in the realm of 6'5" or a bit over. Early in his career, he was actually described as 6'4.5" and Clint always wore big heeled boots. I don't necessarily agree that Hudson was dropping 1.5" to Walker in SEND ME NOW FLOWERS. Clint's character was intended as the bigger guy, and again, Clint is wearing some significant heel. In the one scene that they can be compared, Clint is standing on higher ground. Hudson moves closer for a moment and straightens himself up and IMO, in that moment, gains a lot back in the height diff. but remember Clint still has the heel advantage and slightly higher ground.
As much as I have seen of Hudson so far, I wouldn't go less than 6'4.5" nor discount a full 6'5". Also, I thought Wayne was dropping a bit more than 1" to Hudson anyway, and who knows Wayne might've had heel advantage at any rate.
strahberry Jerry said on 26/Apr/20
Yeah, 6'3.5 is possible for Hudson's peak. Had he been 6'5 he would've looked 2" taller than Frank Wilcox listed at 6'3.25, in Never say goodbye (1956).Oddly enough, at times, Wilcox looked taller!!. I also remember watching a movie where he and Eastwood appeared to be the exact same height. Needless to say 1.5" shorter than Walker. Regarding Wayne's height I always got the impression he was more around 6'2.5-6'2.75. That's the reason why he appeared to be slightly shorter than 6'3.5 Cooper, that's the reason why he looked 6'2.5 as a young man in his thirties and forties. One more thing, Fonda looked shorter next to Jimmy Stewart than next to Wayne, there's these two movies, In our Merry way and Fort Apache. I suspect many of these celebrities gave their height as their height in sneakers,so, a lot of them who claimed 6'1.5 were 6'0.5 barefoot, that's the reason why Fonda looked 6'0.5 next to 6'3.5 Stewart, bottom line, they were telling the truth about their height but not the whole truth. So I can't give Wayne more than 6'2.75
Yeah, 6'3.5 is possible for Hudson's peak. Had he been 6'5 he would've looked 2" taller than Frank Wilcox listed at 6'3.25, in Never say goodbye (1956).Oddly enough, at times, Wilcox looked taller!!. I also remember watching a movie where he and Eastwood appeared to be the exact same height. Needless to say 1.5" shorter than Walker. Regarding Wayne's height I always got the impression he was more around 6'2.5-6'2.75. That's the reason why he appeared to be slightly shorter than 6'3.5 Cooper, that's the reason why he looked 6'2.5 as a young man in his thirties and forties. One more thing, Fonda looked shorter next to Jimmy Stewart than next to Wayne, there's these two movies, In our Merry way and Fort Apache. I suspect many of these celebrities gave their height as their height in sneakers,so, a lot of them who claimed 6'1.5 were 6'0.5 barefoot, that's the reason why Fonda looked 6'0.5 next to 6'3.5 Stewart, bottom line, they were telling the truth about their height but not the whole truth. So I can't give Wayne more than 6'2.75
Wayne Fan said on 19/Apr/20
He was roughly 6'4 in his prime and shrunk down to around 6'2.5ish as he aged and wore lifts at that point because he was an actor. He had some back issues btw which obviously can lead to some above average losing of height. Pretty standard stuff folks. No need to over analyze it as it certainly isn't anything all that important. Look at him in Stagecoach, hes towering. No way any guy over 6 feet is wearing lifts for any reason in 1939.
He was roughly 6'4 in his prime and shrunk down to around 6'2.5ish as he aged and wore lifts at that point because he was an actor. He had some back issues btw which obviously can lead to some above average losing of height. Pretty standard stuff folks. No need to over analyze it as it certainly isn't anything all that important. Look at him in Stagecoach, hes towering. No way any guy over 6 feet is wearing lifts for any reason in 1939.
Rampage(-_-_-)Clover said on 25/Mar/20
Weak 6ft4 is spot on peak. Usually wore boots so probably did appear 6ft5+ a lot. Could look below 6ft3 in his final years
Weak 6ft4 is spot on peak. Usually wore boots so probably did appear 6ft5+ a lot. Could look below 6ft3 in his final years
Tall In The Saddle said on 23/Feb/20
@BigDaddy
Here's one of the pics I think you're referring to. Click Here
There are several photos from the same event, a segment in 1978 celebrating past western stars on ABC's Silver Anniversary celebration.
There is also some vision on YouTube. John Wayne passed in the following year aged 72.
It's frustrating though, because they had other stars like Clint Walker, Michael Ansara and David Carradine, all together at the one time, but they were all standing on different, tiered steps. Would've been good if they actually all stood together on the same flat ground for a bulk height comparison. Maybe there's more photos out there besides the ones of just Connors and Wayne.
@BigDaddy
Here's one of the pics I think you're referring to. Click Here
There are several photos from the same event, a segment in 1978 celebrating past western stars on ABC's Silver Anniversary celebration.
There is also some vision on YouTube. John Wayne passed in the following year aged 72.
It's frustrating though, because they had other stars like Clint Walker, Michael Ansara and David Carradine, all together at the one time, but they were all standing on different, tiered steps. Would've been good if they actually all stood together on the same flat ground for a bulk height comparison. Maybe there's more photos out there besides the ones of just Connors and Wayne.
BigDaddy said on 16/Feb/20
Please folks search the internet for a John Wayne photo with 6-5” Chuck Connors. You can clearly see John Wayne is only 6-2”.
Please folks search the internet for a John Wayne photo with 6-5” Chuck Connors. You can clearly see John Wayne is only 6-2”.
Tall In The Saddle said on 22/Jan/20
Agreed. I wouldn't "shrink" Wayne down to 6'2". No way. Perhaps not the full 6'4" but at least very close.
At least from my POV, talk of Wayne enhancing his height isn't necessarily to suggest he wasn't around 6'4". Rather, it's to suggest that even though tall, it seemed that Wayne's height was sometimes given some boost amongst comparably sized co stars so as to ensure Wayne's edge. There is also the reasoning that Wayne might've worn lifts with age onset height loss.
Agreed. I wouldn't "shrink" Wayne down to 6'2". No way. Perhaps not the full 6'4" but at least very close.
At least from my POV, talk of Wayne enhancing his height isn't necessarily to suggest he wasn't around 6'4". Rather, it's to suggest that even though tall, it seemed that Wayne's height was sometimes given some boost amongst comparably sized co stars so as to ensure Wayne's edge. There is also the reasoning that Wayne might've worn lifts with age onset height loss.
Hong said on 21/Jan/20
@ Meezemaker thats Gary Cooper.
@ Meezemaker thats Gary Cooper.
Canson said on 17/Jan/20
@Joe: I agree on both. At minimum 194-195 range. Wayne looked taller than 6’2 to me. But I get Bobby’s frustration as we are the same height. However, I don’t get second guessed as often after I claim my height as he does. It’s usually when I don’t claim it first. However, it has happened to me too where someone else argues with me. So I get the frustration for sure
@Joe: I agree on both. At minimum 194-195 range. Wayne looked taller than 6’2 to me. But I get Bobby’s frustration as we are the same height. However, I don’t get second guessed as often after I claim my height as he does. It’s usually when I don’t claim it first. However, it has happened to me too where someone else argues with me. So I get the frustration for sure
Canson said on 17/Jan/20
@Joe: I agree on both. At minimum 194-195 range. Wayne looked taller than 6’2 to me
@Joe: I agree on both. At minimum 194-195 range. Wayne looked taller than 6’2 to me
joe### said on 16/Jan/20
Canson
i don't agree with what bobby said wayne always seemed taller than 6'2 and rock hudson at the peak looked between 6'4.5-75
Canson
i don't agree with what bobby said wayne always seemed taller than 6'2 and rock hudson at the peak looked between 6'4.5-75
meezemaker said on 18/Dec/19
How u can get a photo where he mooks more and less and at the appearance less if u put away his hat...how can he look smaller than the 186cm`s Cary Grant...
Click Here
On the photo with flat shoes for both he looks barely same height, probably 185-184cm.
It misses 3 inches at least!
How u can get a photo where he mooks more and less and at the appearance less if u put away his hat...how can he look smaller than the 186cm`s Cary Grant...
Click Here
On the photo with flat shoes for both he looks barely same height, probably 185-184cm.
It misses 3 inches at least!
strahberry Jerry said on 13/Dec/19
In Fort Apache Wayne didn't look 6'4 either, I'd say 6.2.75-6'3.
In Fort Apache Wayne didn't look 6'4 either, I'd say 6.2.75-6'3.
Arch Stanton said on 6/Dec/19
In numerous films I've seen now Romero could sometimes look 6'2.5-75 range, but some earlier ones could look 6'3. John Wayne oddly looked 6'2 range in the Big Trail, looked nowhere near 6'4, but most films clearly looked near it.
In numerous films I've seen now Romero could sometimes look 6'2.5-75 range, but some earlier ones could look 6'3. John Wayne oddly looked 6'2 range in the Big Trail, looked nowhere near 6'4, but most films clearly looked near it.
Tall In The Saddle said on 18/Nov/19
I'm on board with the assertion re general height inflation - particularly in Hollyweird. Makes it difficult because relative to one another their alleged heights might seem to add up - say, actual 6' guy claims 6'2" and actual 6'2" guy claims 6'4" - you will see a 2" diff. between them and figure their individually claimed heights are correct.
Personally I wouldn't go as low as 6'2" for the DUKE - but my belief that Wayne somehow "gained" more height in cowboy boots than the other guys has firmed somewhat. Height comparisons can revolve a smaller group of celebrities whose height we "think" we know. Back in the day Wayne was a lock 6'4" - as such a good number of actor's heights were calculated on how they stood relative to Wayne - e.g. Gary Cooper appeared to stand virtually equal which leads some people to believe Coop himself was 6'4". However, one can go the other way and assume that it is Wayne who should be hauled back closer to Cooper's listing of 6'3" - which is corroborated at least in the example of photos alongside Max Baer Snr who was listed as 6'2.5" - not much between them but Cooper is slightly taller.
I'm on board with the assertion re general height inflation - particularly in Hollyweird. Makes it difficult because relative to one another their alleged heights might seem to add up - say, actual 6' guy claims 6'2" and actual 6'2" guy claims 6'4" - you will see a 2" diff. between them and figure their individually claimed heights are correct.
Personally I wouldn't go as low as 6'2" for the DUKE - but my belief that Wayne somehow "gained" more height in cowboy boots than the other guys has firmed somewhat. Height comparisons can revolve a smaller group of celebrities whose height we "think" we know. Back in the day Wayne was a lock 6'4" - as such a good number of actor's heights were calculated on how they stood relative to Wayne - e.g. Gary Cooper appeared to stand virtually equal which leads some people to believe Coop himself was 6'4". However, one can go the other way and assume that it is Wayne who should be hauled back closer to Cooper's listing of 6'3" - which is corroborated at least in the example of photos alongside Max Baer Snr who was listed as 6'2.5" - not much between them but Cooper is slightly taller.
Canson said on 14/Nov/19
@Bobby3342: bring a tape measure to work and fry those two guys that you say claim 6’5” and tell you you’re 6’6”. That’s the way to prove it.
@Bobby3342: bring a tape measure to work and fry those two guys that you say claim 6’5” and tell you you’re 6’6”. That’s the way to prove it.
Tall In The Saddle said on 10/Nov/19
Interesting. I glean that Romero's listing was downgraded from 6'3" to 6'2.75". Personally, I would give Cesar the full 6'3" as per averaged observations. At any rate, even reducing Cesar further to 6'2.5", I still see Scott as about .5" taller at least and certainly taller than Scott's own current listing of 6'2.25". As he stood (notwithstanding claims of lifts) I think Wayne's listing of 6'3.75" is fair - as they stood relative to each other at different times and relative to other celebs - I would go Cesar 6'3", Scott 6'3.5" and Wayne 6'3.75".
Interesting. I glean that Romero's listing was downgraded from 6'3" to 6'2.75". Personally, I would give Cesar the full 6'3" as per averaged observations. At any rate, even reducing Cesar further to 6'2.5", I still see Scott as about .5" taller at least and certainly taller than Scott's own current listing of 6'2.25". As he stood (notwithstanding claims of lifts) I think Wayne's listing of 6'3.75" is fair - as they stood relative to each other at different times and relative to other celebs - I would go Cesar 6'3", Scott 6'3.5" and Wayne 6'3.75".
Tall In The Saddle said on 4/Nov/19
Hi Rob - in ref. to same the clip linked in previous post - at 21.44 mark the view is from behind Romero who is closer to camera - personally I still see Scott with the same height advantage and at the very least he doesn't appear shorter than Romero who is listed 6'3" while Scott only gets 6'2.25".
Editor Rob
Hi Rob - in ref. to same the clip linked in previous post - at 21.44 mark the view is from behind Romero who is closer to camera - personally I still see Scott with the same height advantage and at the very least he doesn't appear shorter than Romero who is listed 6'3" while Scott only gets 6'2.25".
Editor RobRomero could be 6ft 2.5 range
Tall In The Saddle said on 31/Oct/19
Hi Rob
I've perused quite a few pics of Scott and Wayne in normal shoes and I would only give .5" to Wayne at best - and there are also photos in which Scott looks virtually the same height. The only pronounced edge I see for Wayne is when he is in cowboy boots. I think this is more an argument for an upgrade of Scott than downgrade for Wayne.
Moving from Wayne I would compare how Scott stacks up against 6'2.75" listed Romero - comparison starts at 21:21 Click Here. For one thing I don't think anyone would argue that Scott appears as the taller man - and IMO he is at least .5" taller and I would go so far as 1" taller - relative to Romero's listed height even if we only allowed Scott .5" advantage it would still put him at about 6'3.25" and I think overall Scott came across as being at least that tall.
Editor Rob
Hi Rob
I've perused quite a few pics of Scott and Wayne in normal shoes and I would only give .5" to Wayne at best - and there are also photos in which Scott looks virtually the same height. The only pronounced edge I see for Wayne is when he is in cowboy boots. I think this is more an argument for an upgrade of Scott than downgrade for Wayne.
Moving from Wayne I would compare how Scott stacks up against 6'2.75" listed Romero - comparison starts at 21:21 Click Here. For one thing I don't think anyone would argue that Scott appears as the taller man - and IMO he is at least .5" taller and I would go so far as 1" taller - relative to Romero's listed height even if we only allowed Scott .5" advantage it would still put him at about 6'3.25" and I think overall Scott came across as being at least that tall.
Editor RobI think with Scott a bit nearer the camera in the bar scene, he could seem taller, but I am not sure he really is based on that.
Tall In The Saddle said on 30/Oct/19
I never used to question Wayne's 6'4" but the older pre stardom films and some later films do give cause to wonder - though there were periods in Hollywood when there were a greater number of taller actors than not - pre stardom one of Wayne's more regular co-stars was listed as 6'4" himself - and appeared to slightly edge Wayne.
Curiously, in westerns Wayne appeared that much taller than co-star Randolph Scott - in other films with both in street clothes and shoes Wayne didn't appear much taller.
Wayne appeared to stack up well against Woody Strode in Liberty Valance - though Strode often didn't stand tall as second fiddle in the film - even so, there were scenes in which Strode appeared to have the edge - and while Wayne was in mainstay cowboy boots I think Strode wore normal shoes - just as Stewart did in the same film as well as the SHOOTIST.
Editor Rob
I never used to question Wayne's 6'4" but the older pre stardom films and some later films do give cause to wonder - though there were periods in Hollywood when there were a greater number of taller actors than not - pre stardom one of Wayne's more regular co-stars was listed as 6'4" himself - and appeared to slightly edge Wayne.
Curiously, in westerns Wayne appeared that much taller than co-star Randolph Scott - in other films with both in street clothes and shoes Wayne didn't appear much taller.
Wayne appeared to stack up well against Woody Strode in Liberty Valance - though Strode often didn't stand tall as second fiddle in the film - even so, there were scenes in which Strode appeared to have the edge - and while Wayne was in mainstay cowboy boots I think Strode wore normal shoes - just as Stewart did in the same film as well as the SHOOTIST.
Editor RobI'd have said Wayne in normal shoes was still at least an inch taller than Randolph from what I remember of them.
Ian C. said on 12/Oct/19
You make some good points, thatdude, but John Wayne would almost certainly have shrunk quite a bit as he aged. I doubt if he ever exercised or watched his diet a day in his life after he got cut from the college football team in his youth. He just relied on his natural size and strength to get by, and that was plenty until he hit early middle age.
There are pictures of Wayne as a young football player, and he looks at least six-three and closer to six-four. Look at his scenes with certified six foot four Woody Strode in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, standing face-to-face on a level floor, and their heights are very close. (I think that Lee Marvin wore lifts in that movie in the scene where they square off in the eating place to make him look as big as Wayne.)
And I would suggest to you that professional actors, even the ones who make their livings as supporting players, tend as a group to be taller than average. Wayne was a very tall man in the real world, but just fairly tall in the movies, because the actors he worked were also quite tall. That's my theory.
Another fairly good indicator that Wayne was six-four is that almost all the people who interviewed him remarked on his size. Not one ever wrote that he was shorter than they had expected.
You make some good points, thatdude, but John Wayne would almost certainly have shrunk quite a bit as he aged. I doubt if he ever exercised or watched his diet a day in his life after he got cut from the college football team in his youth. He just relied on his natural size and strength to get by, and that was plenty until he hit early middle age.
There are pictures of Wayne as a young football player, and he looks at least six-three and closer to six-four. Look at his scenes with certified six foot four Woody Strode in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, standing face-to-face on a level floor, and their heights are very close. (I think that Lee Marvin wore lifts in that movie in the scene where they square off in the eating place to make him look as big as Wayne.)
And I would suggest to you that professional actors, even the ones who make their livings as supporting players, tend as a group to be taller than average. Wayne was a very tall man in the real world, but just fairly tall in the movies, because the actors he worked were also quite tall. That's my theory.
Another fairly good indicator that Wayne was six-four is that almost all the people who interviewed him remarked on his size. Not one ever wrote that he was shorter than they had expected.
thatdude said on 5/Oct/19
@ian c.
i am not talking about his costars,i was referring to the extras in his prelift movies,compared to them he looked nowhere as tall as a 6'7 guy looks today.in "the undefeated" (1969) he was clearly 2 inches shorter (even with lifts) than 6'4 rock hudson (in a 1967 interview hudson said he shrinked to 6'4).it's quite funny that anyone could look at this pic Click Here and claim he was anything close to 6'3,6'4.
@ian c.
i am not talking about his costars,i was referring to the extras in his prelift movies,compared to them he looked nowhere as tall as a 6'7 guy looks today.in "the undefeated" (1969) he was clearly 2 inches shorter (even with lifts) than 6'4 rock hudson (in a 1967 interview hudson said he shrinked to 6'4).it's quite funny that anyone could look at this pic Click Here and claim he was anything close to 6'3,6'4.
Ian C. said on 3/Oct/19
So many of the supporting roles in John Wayne movies are played by tall men, and I wonder if this was done on purpose. Just as shorter leading men skew the heights of the actors cast in their movies downward, Wayne might have preferred to work with taller actors, to avoid seeming monstrously huge. Which he kind of sort of was.
You notice that he had no problem working with James Arness ( six foot seven) in Big Jim Mclain.
So did he wear lifts? My guess is maybe, after he was sixty. But that would have been legitimate, as the characters he played when he was over sixty were usually about forty. And hw wore a hairpiece and a corset, which was fair movie fakery for a man his age.
So many of the supporting roles in John Wayne movies are played by tall men, and I wonder if this was done on purpose. Just as shorter leading men skew the heights of the actors cast in their movies downward, Wayne might have preferred to work with taller actors, to avoid seeming monstrously huge. Which he kind of sort of was.
You notice that he had no problem working with James Arness ( six foot seven) in Big Jim Mclain.
So did he wear lifts? My guess is maybe, after he was sixty. But that would have been legitimate, as the characters he played when he was over sixty were usually about forty. And hw wore a hairpiece and a corset, which was fair movie fakery for a man his age.
thatdude said on 8/Sep/19
SORRY John wayne's fans but there is no way he was 6'4.it's basically impossible.i just watched his pre-lifts 1930 movie "THE BIG TRAIL",...in those years the average male height in the u.s was 5'7,if john was a real 6'4 he would have been like a 6'7 man of today.have you guys ever seen a 6'7 dude walking down a street full of people?search for pics of lebron james and see how gigantic he looks.
SORRY John wayne's fans but there is no way he was 6'4.it's basically impossible.i just watched his pre-lifts 1930 movie "THE BIG TRAIL",...in those years the average male height in the u.s was 5'7,if john was a real 6'4 he would have been like a 6'7 man of today.have you guys ever seen a 6'7 dude walking down a street full of people?search for pics of lebron james and see how gigantic he looks.
Andrew Brown said on 28/Jun/19
Mon is back wohoo, John Wayne was a huge man and is a legend.
Mon is back wohoo, John Wayne was a huge man and is a legend.
Mon said on 25/Jun/19
With the downgrading of Sterling Hayden and doubts cast on others, I think it is likely Wayne was more like a flat 6'3''. There is no one you can point to as a reference point because everyone added by giving their height in shoes (as height for weight tables were done then) and thus added 1 inch. Then actors or their agents built up the legends some more. Finally, leading men got favourable camerawork. He was taller and more solidly built than any other A list Hollywood leading man for two generations. All you can be is of your time.
With the downgrading of Sterling Hayden and doubts cast on others, I think it is likely Wayne was more like a flat 6'3''. There is no one you can point to as a reference point because everyone added by giving their height in shoes (as height for weight tables were done then) and thus added 1 inch. Then actors or their agents built up the legends some more. Finally, leading men got favourable camerawork. He was taller and more solidly built than any other A list Hollywood leading man for two generations. All you can be is of your time.
Tunman said on 20/Jun/19
Some actors comments are really funny.4"lifts?btw he seemed very similar to Robert Ryan and not walking in an awkward way suggesting he had any lifts.The same Robert Ryan was maybe 1.25 or at most 1.5"smaller than Rock Hudson,and maybe 3.5"over Mitchum rather than 3.75"so I'm not ruling out 6'3.5"for him.6'3.5"give or take a small fraction is the arguable range for both dudes imo,still comfortably taller than Peck but not that much taller than dudes Like Cooper or Stewart
Also if anything Wayne had a good 3cm over Mclaglen although the latter was probably heading towards 188-9 range when turning in The Quiet Man.
Some actors comments are really funny.4"lifts?btw he seemed very similar to Robert Ryan and not walking in an awkward way suggesting he had any lifts.The same Robert Ryan was maybe 1.25 or at most 1.5"smaller than Rock Hudson,and maybe 3.5"over Mitchum rather than 3.75"so I'm not ruling out 6'3.5"for him.6'3.5"give or take a small fraction is the arguable range for both dudes imo,still comfortably taller than Peck but not that much taller than dudes Like Cooper or Stewart
Also if anything Wayne had a good 3cm over Mclaglen although the latter was probably heading towards 188-9 range when turning in The Quiet Man.
roger the dodger said on 18/Jun/19
He was my as well as most mens idol. I being 6'5" at 24 when I met him in person in 1977. He was wearing shoes....with a small heel. I was wearing sneakers he was taller than me by about 3/4". 6'4" not out of the question...maybe 6'4.25". My 6'7" uncle met Jimmy Stewart in Indiana Pa. where my uncle lived and where Jimmy was from and visited. This was probably late 60' early 70's. He said Jimmy was about 6'2 6'2.50"
He was my as well as most mens idol. I being 6'5" at 24 when I met him in person in 1977. He was wearing shoes....with a small heel. I was wearing sneakers he was taller than me by about 3/4". 6'4" not out of the question...maybe 6'4.25". My 6'7" uncle met Jimmy Stewart in Indiana Pa. where my uncle lived and where Jimmy was from and visited. This was probably late 60' early 70's. He said Jimmy was about 6'2 6'2.50"
Johan 185 cm said on 20/May/19
Phil Donahue clip is quite revealing posted below. He still looked 6'3" next to 6' Donahue and he was 69 years old , he died 3 years later.
Phil Donahue clip is quite revealing posted below. He still looked 6'3" next to 6' Donahue and he was 69 years old , he died 3 years later.
movieguy12 said on 19/May/19
The clip below posted by thismoe is pretty cool. Wayne looks tall but not sure he looks 6'4''. The surprising thing for me was that Wayne was pretty lean in his youth. The heavy set middle aged guy is the image most people have of Wayne but he looked really different as a young man. I think he was initially promoted as a heartthrob style actor but didn't achieve wide spread fame till he was older and had filled out considerably. I doubt if Wayne was under 6'3'' though.
The clip below posted by thismoe is pretty cool. Wayne looks tall but not sure he looks 6'4''. The surprising thing for me was that Wayne was pretty lean in his youth. The heavy set middle aged guy is the image most people have of Wayne but he looked really different as a young man. I think he was initially promoted as a heartthrob style actor but didn't achieve wide spread fame till he was older and had filled out considerably. I doubt if Wayne was under 6'3'' though.
dbrunje said on 2/May/19
Rob, percentage wise, how sure are you of this height? Given that so many other of his peers attest to him being a perpetual lift wearer.
Editor Rob
Rob, percentage wise, how sure are you of this height? Given that so many other of his peers attest to him being a perpetual lift wearer.
Editor RobI'd say from earlier films, he looked near his claim with 80-90% confidence.
tree said on 27/Apr/19
If David Huddleston was 179 older Wayne looked 191 -192 considering his boots looked thicker in Rio Lobo
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At the age of 54 with 6ft4 Selleck,probably lost height,looks more 177cm Click Here
If David Huddleston was 179 older Wayne looked 191 -192 considering his boots looked thicker in Rio Lobo
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At the age of 54 with 6ft4 Selleck,probably lost height,looks more 177cm Click Here
John Pollock said on 10/Mar/19
I remember seeing Wayne in "The Sons of Katie Elder" He was supposed to be 6'4" and 200 pounds. There is no way a man that height with the stomach he had at that time could have been less than 250 pounds.
I remember seeing Wayne in "The Sons of Katie Elder" He was supposed to be 6'4" and 200 pounds. There is no way a man that height with the stomach he had at that time could have been less than 250 pounds.
Neelasish Send Roy said on 10/Mar/19
What is his peak height,Rob? Is he really was 6'3.75" or 6'2"?
Editor Rob
What is his peak height,Rob? Is he really was 6'3.75" or 6'2"?
Editor RobI know you submit a fair few comments, but I can't reply to them all, because I try to spread around my comments to various people if I can.
Wayne at over 6ft 3 makes more sense than 6ft 2.
Wayne at over 6ft 3 makes more sense than 6ft 2.
Tall In The Saddle said on 9/Mar/19
@Harvey - cheers. Tried before got zip. This time came straight up.
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I've never read Wayne described as 6'2" elsewhere. I suppose if Wayne only hit 6'4" in boots then it would stand to reason that an actor like 6'3" James Stewart would hit close to 6'4" in average heels - at times Stewart could look pretty the same height as Wayne -Randolph Scott is listed 6'2.25" on this site - in roles in which both wore dress shoes Scott appeared barely shorter than Wayne.
@Harvey - cheers. Tried before got zip. This time came straight up.
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I've never read Wayne described as 6'2" elsewhere. I suppose if Wayne only hit 6'4" in boots then it would stand to reason that an actor like 6'3" James Stewart would hit close to 6'4" in average heels - at times Stewart could look pretty the same height as Wayne -Randolph Scott is listed 6'2.25" on this site - in roles in which both wore dress shoes Scott appeared barely shorter than Wayne.
Unsub 5'10" said on 7/Mar/19
Some guys keep growing until the age of 25. A spanish friend of mine was 191.5m at the age of 24, he grew taller until he was 25, today he's 6'4 but looks 7' tall. Wayne was 23 in 1930 so, he still had room left to grow, maybe he was 6'2.25 at age 23, I don't know if he grew up to 6'4 but 6'3 is possible and plausible for him.
Some guys keep growing until the age of 25. A spanish friend of mine was 191.5m at the age of 24, he grew taller until he was 25, today he's 6'4 but looks 7' tall. Wayne was 23 in 1930 so, he still had room left to grow, maybe he was 6'2.25 at age 23, I don't know if he grew up to 6'4 but 6'3 is possible and plausible for him.
HarveyFinkelmatter said on 5/Mar/19
Do a google search of" John Wayne Photoplay 1930" and it will come up. Makes you really think that the 6'4 was in boots.
Do a google search of" John Wayne Photoplay 1930" and it will come up. Makes you really think that the 6'4 was in boots.
Tall In The Saddle said on 2/Mar/19
@Havery - wow, that's interesting. Is there anywhere on the net the Photoplay might be viewed? I personally couldn't see Wayne as less than 6'3" but it's interesting that he was once listed at 6'2" - perhaps at a time when being 6'4" or near enough to might've seemed too tall for a leading man?
@Havery - wow, that's interesting. Is there anywhere on the net the Photoplay might be viewed? I personally couldn't see Wayne as less than 6'3" but it's interesting that he was once listed at 6'2" - perhaps at a time when being 6'4" or near enough to might've seemed too tall for a leading man?
HarveyFinkelmatter said on 21/Feb/19
A 1930 article in Photoplay magazine states that John Wayne is 6'2' and 198 pounds . Could that be his real height and the 6'3 3/4 is in boots? Thanks. You all have a great sight.
A 1930 article in Photoplay magazine states that John Wayne is 6'2' and 198 pounds . Could that be his real height and the 6'3 3/4 is in boots? Thanks. You all have a great sight.
Tall In The Saddle said on 10/Dec/18
@Andrew Browne - you're a savant - your memory serves you perfectly.
I shouldn't have promoted what I read elsewhere online without due critical analysis - AS IF Wayne would be so exact as to state 6'3.75" in the movie - ha. Whoever wrote that probably remembered the scene when Wayne stated his height but substituted the celebheight listing in for good measure.
After Fitzgerald picks Wayne up from the train station and they're travelling along in the buggy he suggests/asks 6'6"? of Wayne - Wayne responds "4 and half" - not that I am telling you what you don't already know - lol. I suppose from tiny Barry Fitzgerald's vantage point Wayne would easily look a good 6'6".
Anyway for the fun of it here's the clip in question - about 3.40 Wayne states his height. Must get me a copy of that movie - haven't seen it for soooo long:-
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@Andrew Browne - you're a savant - your memory serves you perfectly.
I shouldn't have promoted what I read elsewhere online without due critical analysis - AS IF Wayne would be so exact as to state 6'3.75" in the movie - ha. Whoever wrote that probably remembered the scene when Wayne stated his height but substituted the celebheight listing in for good measure.
After Fitzgerald picks Wayne up from the train station and they're travelling along in the buggy he suggests/asks 6'6"? of Wayne - Wayne responds "4 and half" - not that I am telling you what you don't already know - lol. I suppose from tiny Barry Fitzgerald's vantage point Wayne would easily look a good 6'6".
Anyway for the fun of it here's the clip in question - about 3.40 Wayne states his height. Must get me a copy of that movie - haven't seen it for soooo long:-
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Rising - 174 cm said on 10/Dec/18
@Tall In The Saddle: Good post and I agree with you on Wayne in those classic films. The Searchers in particular is outstanding, including Wayne's acting. I have to agree with most who say Wayne should have won the Oscar for that instead of True Grit. Considering Wayne wrote 6'3.75" himself, we can be sure he was at least somewhat shy of the full 6'4". I also used to assume he was. As I said, it could be less than an inch with Scott depending on posture, hair and camera, but I agree that Wayne's listing looks questionable compared to Scott's listing. Whether that's Scott being taller than listed, Wayne being shorter than listed or both, I don't know. And agreed on Connery's presence. Of course, Russian accents were always problematic for Western Cold War films. Remember William Hurt just used a British accent in Gorky Park lol.
@Andrew Browne: Yeah, I also remember his character claiming 6'4.5". It stood out to me because other than that, I'd never seen him claim anything besides an even 6'4" even though it was his character in the movie. Great film, though as Tall In The Saddle said.
@Tall In The Saddle: Good post and I agree with you on Wayne in those classic films. The Searchers in particular is outstanding, including Wayne's acting. I have to agree with most who say Wayne should have won the Oscar for that instead of True Grit. Considering Wayne wrote 6'3.75" himself, we can be sure he was at least somewhat shy of the full 6'4". I also used to assume he was. As I said, it could be less than an inch with Scott depending on posture, hair and camera, but I agree that Wayne's listing looks questionable compared to Scott's listing. Whether that's Scott being taller than listed, Wayne being shorter than listed or both, I don't know. And agreed on Connery's presence. Of course, Russian accents were always problematic for Western Cold War films. Remember William Hurt just used a British accent in Gorky Park lol.
@Andrew Browne: Yeah, I also remember his character claiming 6'4.5". It stood out to me because other than that, I'd never seen him claim anything besides an even 6'4" even though it was his character in the movie. Great film, though as Tall In The Saddle said.
Andrew Browne said on 10/Dec/18
No I think he says 6'4.5" if memory serves me correctly
No I think he says 6'4.5" if memory serves me correctly
Tall In The Saddle said on 9/Dec/18
Just another titbit - I mentioned the movie THE QUIET MAN which I haven't seen for a long time - I just read that at the start of the movie Barry Fitzgerald (I think) asks Wayne - Sean Thornton - his height - and Wayne answers an exact 6'3.75" as per this sites information.
Just another titbit - I mentioned the movie THE QUIET MAN which I haven't seen for a long time - I just read that at the start of the movie Barry Fitzgerald (I think) asks Wayne - Sean Thornton - his height - and Wayne answers an exact 6'3.75" as per this sites information.
Tall In The Saddle said on 9/Dec/18
@Rising - interesting. From that pic without strongly arguing against 1" I would only give Wayne maybe .5" on Scott - Wayne's hair styling maybe slightly higher also. Crazy thing is if we give Wayne 1" adv over Scott in that photo and factor that this site lists Scott at 6'2.25" then that would put Wayne at only 6'3.25" himself. However, I personally think Scott was closer to 6'3" if not bang on - and based on that reckoning I would rate the Duke as 6'3.5".
I was surfing a few really old Wayne flicks - I came across one SAGEBRUSH TRAIL featuring Lane Chandler who featured in several Wayne flicks and was listed as 6'4". IMO Chandler was clearly taller edging Wayne by at least .5" or so.
I've always used to buy Wayne as a solid 6'4" no qualms but now not so sure he didn't lift here and there during his pinnacle days - even if just a little. Definitely a very tall imposing dude any way you slice it but maybe around 6'3.5" at best. Of course the data is than ideal so estimating same isn't an exact science
I am not necessarily a fan of westerns or Wayne but among the best movies I have seen are THE SEARCHERS LIBERTY VALANCE THE SHOOTIST and the COWBOYS as well as THE QUIET MAN. I think Wayne's performances in same were great - the man could act and he perfectly carried the nuance of the stories - some try to cull him out in terms of absolute character stretch - but you could say same of a lot of Hollywood's golden era greats - who's gonna say Bogie wasn't great? - but Shakespeare would've be totally wrong for him too! Lol.
More modern era - Sean Connery. Great actor but essentially I saw a lot of Connery himself in each and every role - Connery's real life persona being compelling enough - he even had the swag to retain the Scottish accent as a Soviet submarine captain in Red October - Hoots mon!
@Rising - interesting. From that pic without strongly arguing against 1" I would only give Wayne maybe .5" on Scott - Wayne's hair styling maybe slightly higher also. Crazy thing is if we give Wayne 1" adv over Scott in that photo and factor that this site lists Scott at 6'2.25" then that would put Wayne at only 6'3.25" himself. However, I personally think Scott was closer to 6'3" if not bang on - and based on that reckoning I would rate the Duke as 6'3.5".
I was surfing a few really old Wayne flicks - I came across one SAGEBRUSH TRAIL featuring Lane Chandler who featured in several Wayne flicks and was listed as 6'4". IMO Chandler was clearly taller edging Wayne by at least .5" or so.
I've always used to buy Wayne as a solid 6'4" no qualms but now not so sure he didn't lift here and there during his pinnacle days - even if just a little. Definitely a very tall imposing dude any way you slice it but maybe around 6'3.5" at best. Of course the data is than ideal so estimating same isn't an exact science
I am not necessarily a fan of westerns or Wayne but among the best movies I have seen are THE SEARCHERS LIBERTY VALANCE THE SHOOTIST and the COWBOYS as well as THE QUIET MAN. I think Wayne's performances in same were great - the man could act and he perfectly carried the nuance of the stories - some try to cull him out in terms of absolute character stretch - but you could say same of a lot of Hollywood's golden era greats - who's gonna say Bogie wasn't great? - but Shakespeare would've be totally wrong for him too! Lol.
More modern era - Sean Connery. Great actor but essentially I saw a lot of Connery himself in each and every role - Connery's real life persona being compelling enough - he even had the swag to retain the Scottish accent as a Soviet submarine captain in Red October - Hoots mon!
Rising - 174 cm said on 7/Dec/18
Those are great clips! Not just for showing his height, but I'm a fan as well. I can't believe some of the vitriol directed at Wayne in the comments. I'm surprised he doesn't look taller with Fairbanks Jr. and honestly, I'm not sure I see a full 3" difference with Donahue. Difficult to say because of Donahue's hair advantage, but then Donahue is tilting his head and slouching. It can honestly look more like 2" when they first greet or a little more than that, maybe 2.5". It can look at least 3" at one point, but that seems to be when Donahue is slouching. It's too bad the camera didn't show them straight on when Donahue was putting his hand over Wayne's head. Also a good pic with Randolph Scott. Duke does look at least an inch taller there to me(by the top of their heads), but he also appears closer to the camera so it could be less than an inch if Duke is getting an advantage.
Those are great clips! Not just for showing his height, but I'm a fan as well. I can't believe some of the vitriol directed at Wayne in the comments. I'm surprised he doesn't look taller with Fairbanks Jr. and honestly, I'm not sure I see a full 3" difference with Donahue. Difficult to say because of Donahue's hair advantage, but then Donahue is tilting his head and slouching. It can honestly look more like 2" when they first greet or a little more than that, maybe 2.5". It can look at least 3" at one point, but that seems to be when Donahue is slouching. It's too bad the camera didn't show them straight on when Donahue was putting his hand over Wayne's head. Also a good pic with Randolph Scott. Duke does look at least an inch taller there to me(by the top of their heads), but he also appears closer to the camera so it could be less than an inch if Duke is getting an advantage.
Tall In The Saddle said on 28/Nov/18
@thismoe!! - that is a great clip. Cary Grant is listed on this site as 6'1" which I think is about right - and I also think Grant had a slight edge on Fairbanks who is listed at 6'.5" which I also think is about right.
At least in the clip Wayne does not come off as 6'4" against a just over 6 feet Fairbanks - as you said, barely scraping 6'3" maybe. Can't see the footwear but one would guess as implied that they are both wearing standard boxing shoes so no footwear advantage either way
I've said before I see anomalies in photos with Randolph Scott (listed here at 6'2.25") and Wayne - sometimes Wayne can look up to a good 2" taller yet in other photos there's not a lot to choose between them. I will say that I think Scott was more like 6'3" - anyway here's a pic showing Scott very close to Wayne - Link - Click Here
@thismoe!! - that is a great clip. Cary Grant is listed on this site as 6'1" which I think is about right - and I also think Grant had a slight edge on Fairbanks who is listed at 6'.5" which I also think is about right.
At least in the clip Wayne does not come off as 6'4" against a just over 6 feet Fairbanks - as you said, barely scraping 6'3" maybe. Can't see the footwear but one would guess as implied that they are both wearing standard boxing shoes so no footwear advantage either way
I've said before I see anomalies in photos with Randolph Scott (listed here at 6'2.25") and Wayne - sometimes Wayne can look up to a good 2" taller yet in other photos there's not a lot to choose between them. I will say that I think Scott was more like 6'3" - anyway here's a pic showing Scott very close to Wayne - Link - Click Here
Andrew Browne said on 26/Nov/18
@Tall In The Saddle, ya hadn't seen it before. Can't get full interview Wayne had with Parky, I think it was done when Brannigan was been shot. The bit that I did see I thought Parkinson treated Wayne very badly. You knew by the interview that he didn't like Wayne or his views.
If you look at modern day actors been interviewed on different chat shows you'll find that most are just full of bs. Contrast that with the likes of Wayne you find he was very humble and respectful of the audience as he knew they were paying his wages.
@Tall In The Saddle, ya hadn't seen it before. Can't get full interview Wayne had with Parky, I think it was done when Brannigan was been shot. The bit that I did see I thought Parkinson treated Wayne very badly. You knew by the interview that he didn't like Wayne or his views.
If you look at modern day actors been interviewed on different chat shows you'll find that most are just full of bs. Contrast that with the likes of Wayne you find he was very humble and respectful of the audience as he knew they were paying his wages.
thismoe!! said on 26/Nov/18
This is a great clip! John Wayne shows up to be interviewed by Phil Donahue in front of an adoring crowd. At 1:28 Six foot Phil says, "I didn't expect him to be that big did you? You're six...two?" And John Wayne hesitantly interrupts, "Four!" Read into it what you will.
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This is a great clip! John Wayne shows up to be interviewed by Phil Donahue in front of an adoring crowd. At 1:28 Six foot Phil says, "I didn't expect him to be that big did you? You're six...two?" And John Wayne hesitantly interrupts, "Four!" Read into it what you will.
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thismoe!! said on 26/Nov/18
This is a great clip! John Wayne shows up to be interviewed by Phil Donahue in front of an adoring crowd. Six foot Phil says, "I didn't expect him to be that big did you? You're six...two?" And John Wayne hesitantly interrupts, "Four!" Read into it what you will.
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This is a great clip! John Wayne shows up to be interviewed by Phil Donahue in front of an adoring crowd. Six foot Phil says, "I didn't expect him to be that big did you? You're six...two?" And John Wayne hesitantly interrupts, "Four!" Read into it what you will.
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Tall In The Saddle said on 26/Nov/18
@Andrew - Great upload. Relatively new to YouTube, I stumbled upon it just recently myself chasing up Wayne interviews.
There are also IVs with Barbara Walters and Michael Parkinson but I note Wayne also mentioned IVs with Merv Griffin and Johnny Carson which I am yet to see.
Funny how Donahue enthuses over Wayne's height/size yet only affords Wayne 2" above Donahue's own listed height of 6'.
I'd say Wayne appeared at least 3" above Donahue - focusing more on eye level and mindful not to confuse Phil's super thick helmet like hair with his actual height.
@Andrew - Great upload. Relatively new to YouTube, I stumbled upon it just recently myself chasing up Wayne interviews.
There are also IVs with Barbara Walters and Michael Parkinson but I note Wayne also mentioned IVs with Merv Griffin and Johnny Carson which I am yet to see.
Funny how Donahue enthuses over Wayne's height/size yet only affords Wayne 2" above Donahue's own listed height of 6'.
I'd say Wayne appeared at least 3" above Donahue - focusing more on eye level and mindful not to confuse Phil's super thick helmet like hair with his actual height.
Tall In The Saddle said on 25/Nov/18
@Canson - slight confusion - I'm referring to Rock Hudson not THE Rock Dwayne Johnson.
@Canson - slight confusion - I'm referring to Rock Hudson not THE Rock Dwayne Johnson.
Canson said on 24/Nov/18
@Tall in the Saddle: I buy Rock having lost height. Although he was never as tall as he claimed to begin with. I have him 1/2” below where Rob has him today. 6’2.5-.75 and 6’2” today max
@Tall in the Saddle: I buy Rock having lost height. Although he was never as tall as he claimed to begin with. I have him 1/2” below where Rob has him today. 6’2.5-.75 and 6’2” today max
Andrew Browne said on 24/Nov/18
Just looking at Wayne on a talk show with Phil Donahue. Phil says jeez you're a big guy, what are you 6'2". Without hesitation Wayne says 6'4".
Donahue is listed as 6' and Wayne looks maybe 3" taller. Wayne was very eloquent and charming and Phil treated him with respect even though they would be polar opposite politically.
Just looking at Wayne on a talk show with Phil Donahue. Phil says jeez you're a big guy, what are you 6'2". Without hesitation Wayne says 6'4".
Donahue is listed as 6' and Wayne looks maybe 3" taller. Wayne was very eloquent and charming and Phil treated him with respect even though they would be polar opposite politically.
Andrew Browne said on 22/Nov/18
Firstly I'll say that was a great film. I thought Wayne and Marvin were excellent in it. Such a supporting cast though they were brilliant.
Woody was a fine specimen. I'd say of the 3 he had the edge. He was dropping height when near Wayne and Stewart.
Reminds me, I must watch that movie again.
Firstly I'll say that was a great film. I thought Wayne and Marvin were excellent in it. Such a supporting cast though they were brilliant.
Woody was a fine specimen. I'd say of the 3 he had the edge. He was dropping height when near Wayne and Stewart.
Reminds me, I must watch that movie again.
Tall In The Saddle said on 22/Nov/18
Throwing Woody Strode into the fray. Listed here at 6'4" and appeared to be easily that height relative to other actors. In The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance '62 Strode didn't really appear taller than Wayne at any time.
In my eyes Strode only ever looked even with Wayne at best and at other times a tad shorter. All things being equal I would've expected Strode to have the edge - though Strode often slouched during the movie - perhaps in line with the subservient status of his character.
However it was achieved, I still tend to think Wayne generally ensured that he came across as the biggest guy in his movies - when it was reasonably achievable - certainly it would've been too much of stretch for Wayne to have pegged back fellow actors as tall as Arness and Hudson.
Anyway, here's a nicely put together montage of Strode as Pompey in Liberty Valance with the song written for the movie but strangely not included in the movie. You can judge for yourself how Strode measures up to Wayne as well as Stewart toward the end of the clip
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I'll also note that it was apparently a "magic bullet" fired out of Wayne's rifle from the shadows - Wayne's secret bullet is fired at roughly a 45 degree angle but Marvin reels back AS IF he was hit directly by the bullet fired from Stewarts gun. Anyway, no big deal, a GREAT movie nonetheless.
Throwing Woody Strode into the fray. Listed here at 6'4" and appeared to be easily that height relative to other actors. In The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance '62 Strode didn't really appear taller than Wayne at any time.
In my eyes Strode only ever looked even with Wayne at best and at other times a tad shorter. All things being equal I would've expected Strode to have the edge - though Strode often slouched during the movie - perhaps in line with the subservient status of his character.
However it was achieved, I still tend to think Wayne generally ensured that he came across as the biggest guy in his movies - when it was reasonably achievable - certainly it would've been too much of stretch for Wayne to have pegged back fellow actors as tall as Arness and Hudson.
Anyway, here's a nicely put together montage of Strode as Pompey in Liberty Valance with the song written for the movie but strangely not included in the movie. You can judge for yourself how Strode measures up to Wayne as well as Stewart toward the end of the clip
Link Click Here
I'll also note that it was apparently a "magic bullet" fired out of Wayne's rifle from the shadows - Wayne's secret bullet is fired at roughly a 45 degree angle but Marvin reels back AS IF he was hit directly by the bullet fired from Stewarts gun. Anyway, no big deal, a GREAT movie nonetheless.
Tall In The Saddle said on 21/Nov/18
I agree it seems unlikely Rock would lose any height by age 41/42 and it didn't appear that way on screen. However anything is possible and there is also Hudson's own quoted words re the matter. Hudson also said that Wayne wore lifts, had small feet etc. Context is always important and is all too often left out - perhaps some of these statements aren't to be taken so literally. Anyway, there is also the question as to whether Rock himself was a strong or weak 6'5" in the first instance.
A real Dr. in the West just might wear something more durable than normal shoes given the natural terrains he would be traversing - in doors maybe a different story. Any which way, I think Doc Hollywood Stewart did wear normal shoes in the Shootist - sufficient costuming to convey his role as an intellectual Dr. - vs Wayne the gun slinger who was clearly wearing cowboy boots. I think Stewart appears in about 3 separate segments of the movie - one of which shows a shot of his footwear (not perfect vision) but they do appear to be normal shoes.
I agree it seems unlikely Rock would lose any height by age 41/42 and it didn't appear that way on screen. However anything is possible and there is also Hudson's own quoted words re the matter. Hudson also said that Wayne wore lifts, had small feet etc. Context is always important and is all too often left out - perhaps some of these statements aren't to be taken so literally. Anyway, there is also the question as to whether Rock himself was a strong or weak 6'5" in the first instance.
A real Dr. in the West just might wear something more durable than normal shoes given the natural terrains he would be traversing - in doors maybe a different story. Any which way, I think Doc Hollywood Stewart did wear normal shoes in the Shootist - sufficient costuming to convey his role as an intellectual Dr. - vs Wayne the gun slinger who was clearly wearing cowboy boots. I think Stewart appears in about 3 separate segments of the movie - one of which shows a shot of his footwear (not perfect vision) but they do appear to be normal shoes.
Andrew Browne said on 18/Nov/18
Rock was only in his early 40s so couldn't see him losing any of his 6'5".
I'd say A Dr. in the West would have wore boots.
Rock was only in his early 40s so couldn't see him losing any of his 6'5".
I'd say A Dr. in the West would have wore boots.
Mark Harrison said on 18/Nov/18
Ron Howard is 5'7".
Ron Howard is 5'7".
Rising - 174 cm said on 16/Nov/18
@Andrew: I agree with you on Wayne and Stewart at their peaks and as I brought up before, seeing Wayne barefoot with Ron Howard in boots had me thinking Wayne was still 6'4" years ago and I have a hard time seeing Howard less than 5'8" myself, though I doubt he was ever 5'9". But the problem is Rock Hudson claimed he had shrunk to 6'4" by 1967. The best scene to compare him to Wayne in The Undefeated is at the end when they drink with Rojas(Tony Aguilar) because they seem to be on pretty solid ground. Here's a few screenshots from that scene: Click Here I see more than just an inch. The least I can see would be around 3 cm or 1.2" range, but Hudson's boots were not cowboy boots and did not have as big of a heel as you can see here: Click Here So even if we're conservative and say Wayne's heel advantage was only 1/4" or so, that still makes him about 1.5" shorter barefoot as of 1969. I've considered that Hudson may have rounded and shrunk from say 6'4.75" peak to 6'4.25" by 1969, but even that would still put Wayne a shade under 6'3" by that point. The only way I could see Wayne close to his peak height then would be if Hudson just made up the whole thing about shrinking and was actually still 6'5", but that seems like an odd thing to make up. Only then could I see Wayne 6'3.5" at 61-62.
@Tall in the Saddle: You make a good point about Stewart's shoes. I don't remember what he wore in The Shootist or if there's a clear shot of them, but as a doctor, I thought there's a good chance that Stewart playing a doctor would wear normal shoes as opposed to cowboy boots.
@Andrew: I agree with you on Wayne and Stewart at their peaks and as I brought up before, seeing Wayne barefoot with Ron Howard in boots had me thinking Wayne was still 6'4" years ago and I have a hard time seeing Howard less than 5'8" myself, though I doubt he was ever 5'9". But the problem is Rock Hudson claimed he had shrunk to 6'4" by 1967. The best scene to compare him to Wayne in The Undefeated is at the end when they drink with Rojas(Tony Aguilar) because they seem to be on pretty solid ground. Here's a few screenshots from that scene: Click Here I see more than just an inch. The least I can see would be around 3 cm or 1.2" range, but Hudson's boots were not cowboy boots and did not have as big of a heel as you can see here: Click Here So even if we're conservative and say Wayne's heel advantage was only 1/4" or so, that still makes him about 1.5" shorter barefoot as of 1969. I've considered that Hudson may have rounded and shrunk from say 6'4.75" peak to 6'4.25" by 1969, but even that would still put Wayne a shade under 6'3" by that point. The only way I could see Wayne close to his peak height then would be if Hudson just made up the whole thing about shrinking and was actually still 6'5", but that seems like an odd thing to make up. Only then could I see Wayne 6'3.5" at 61-62.
@Tall in the Saddle: You make a good point about Stewart's shoes. I don't remember what he wore in The Shootist or if there's a clear shot of them, but as a doctor, I thought there's a good chance that Stewart playing a doctor would wear normal shoes as opposed to cowboy boots.
Tall In The Saddle said on 15/Nov/18
Wayne had the edge but the Duke and Stewart(who I have as over 6'3" and up to 6'3.5") were very close in height any way - slight change in ground, posture etc. could see Stewart sometimes stand higher. I too remember the stills from the Shootist which had Stewart appearing taller in some shots - perhaps I also got that impression from the Man Who Shot Liberty Valance -I guess at least in both films Wayne had advantage in cowboy heel while Stewart as the dude would've worn a normal heel - though I haven't seen either film for a long time.
Wayne had the edge but the Duke and Stewart(who I have as over 6'3" and up to 6'3.5") were very close in height any way - slight change in ground, posture etc. could see Stewart sometimes stand higher. I too remember the stills from the Shootist which had Stewart appearing taller in some shots - perhaps I also got that impression from the Man Who Shot Liberty Valance -I guess at least in both films Wayne had advantage in cowboy heel while Stewart as the dude would've worn a normal heel - though I haven't seen either film for a long time.
Andrew Browne said on 15/Nov/18
People claim he wore lifts because he lost height. I don't agree and I'll give you to examples.
1/ In Brannigan 1975 he has at least .5" on 6'3" Mel Ferrer who was 10 years younger. He is wearing regular shoes.
2/ The Shootist 1976 he is barefoot but towers over a booted Ron Howard. Ron was at least 5'8" and Wayne had him by 5" at least
People claim he wore lifts because he lost height. I don't agree and I'll give you to examples.
1/ In Brannigan 1975 he has at least .5" on 6'3" Mel Ferrer who was 10 years younger. He is wearing regular shoes.
2/ The Shootist 1976 he is barefoot but towers over a booted Ron Howard. Ron was at least 5'8" and Wayne had him by 5" at least
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